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axelphoney
Joined: 03.10.2009

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
Hero ($99)
BB ($357)
UTG ($238)
UTG+1 ($18.15)
CO ($99.50)
BTN ($211)

Dealt to Hero A♥ 6♥

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

FLOP ($6) 2♥ T♥ Q♠

Hero bets $4, BB raises to $12, Hero raises to x$/calls?

villain; 21/18 - 20 hands

Not that many valuehands he could have here (22, QT, and rarely TT). But there are however a decent amount of semibluff that I might be able to get him off if I 3bet here.

So the question is:

Are you 3betting on the flop here without any reads, and if so how big?


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Bierbaer
Joined: 27.05.2005

You don't want him to fold his semibluffs since you crush most of them.

The question is if he's betting the turn after we bet/call the flop.
Imo a b/c looks so strong that he probably doesn't continue, so I just 3bet the flop to $38 and shove the turn if called.


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axelphoney
Joined: 03.10.2009

I did 3bet and he folded :f_cool:

Would say that in general it is a good play to bet/3bet a FD on the flop at SSNL? (I am aware that this a very vague question, but I assume that you, or anyone else, has played SSNL long enough to have at least somewhat of a feel of how often this usually works)

Also lets say bvb, and btn/co vs blinds for simplicity sake.


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Originally posted by Bierbaer
You don't want him to fold his semibluffs since you crush most of them.

The question is if he's betting the turn after we bet/call the flop.
Imo a b/c looks so strong that he probably doesn't continue, so I just 3bet the flop to $38 and shove the turn if called.

You argue in favor of calling because you crush most semi-bluffs and a bet/call looks very strong so he won't continue. And then you take the opposite conclusion: 3-bet and shove turn if called. Did I read it wrong?


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Bierbaer
Joined: 27.05.2005

Originally posted by DACorreia

Originally posted by Bierbaer
You don't want him to fold his semibluffs since you crush most of them.

The question is if he's betting the turn after we bet/call the flop.
Imo a b/c looks so strong that he probably doesn't continue, so I just 3bet the flop to $38 and shove the turn if called.

You argue in favor of calling because you crush most semi-bluffs and a bet/call looks very strong so he won't continue. And then you take the opposite conclusion: 3-bet and shove turn if called. Did I read it wrong?

Yes.
We want worse FDs or str8 draws to get it in, so we want to look weak in order to make him think he has the equity to do so.

If we b/c ofc if we hit the flush we'll stack a worse flush, but there are only 7 hearts left - and if we bet/3bet almost nobody is capable of folding a FD on the flop, so we maximize value.

@axel
Yes I think bet/3bet is the best option without reads:
If we bet/call we can either c/rAI or c/f the turn - we never get the odds to c/c.
So the only reason for calling the flop is if we think he raises too much and/or will b/f the turn, which, without reads, for most people doesn't hold true.


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axelphoney
Joined: 03.10.2009

How about the sizing? 30$?


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Originally posted by Bierbaer
Yes.
We want worse FDs or str8 draws to get it in, so we want to look weak in order to make him think he has the equity to do so.

If we b/c ofc if we hit the flush we'll stack a worse flush, but there are only 7 hearts left - and if we bet/3bet almost nobody is capable of folding a FD on the flop, so we maximize value.

Now I understand what you mean.

That's a very strong assumption! Do you never fold a FD on the flop?

In the opponent's shoes, would you stack off with a FD?


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Bierbaer
Joined: 27.05.2005

Originally posted by axelphoney
How about the sizing? 30$?

34-36, so we have a little less than a PSB left for the turn.

Originally posted by DACorreia

Originally posted by Bierbaer
Yes.
We want worse FDs or str8 draws to get it in, so we want to look weak in order to make him think he has the equity to do so.

If we b/c ofc if we hit the flush we'll stack a worse flush, but there are only 7 hearts left - and if we bet/3bet almost nobody is capable of folding a FD on the flop, so we maximize value.

Now I understand what you mean.

That's a very strong assumption! Do you never fold a FD on the flop?
There are definitely circumstances in which I do.
In the opponent's shoes, would you stack off with a FD?
If I got 3bet here I wouldn't 4bet, but for ~3:1 odds IP in a BvB situation it's really hard (not to say impossible) to lay down a FD imo.


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