NL20 KQs vs fish worth 3rd barrel?

M1rCea

Joined: 06.07.2010

12.02.2012, 14:34 0

IPoker, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $20.28 (101.4 bb)
BB: $6 (30 bb)
UTG+1: $7.52 (37.6 bb)
UTG+2: $20.50 (102.5 bb)
MP1: $48.18 (240.9 bb)
MP2: $14.65 (73.3 bb)
MP3: $15.27 (76.4 bb)
CO: $8.41 (42.1 bb)
Hero (BTN): $20 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K Q
4 folds, MP3 calls $0.20, CO folds, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0.80

Flop: ($2.30) J 7 9 (2 players)
MP3 bets $0.20, Hero raises to $1.60, MP3 calls $1.40

Turn: ($5.50) A (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets $3, MP3 calls $3

River: ($11.50) 6 (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets $8, MP3 raises to $9.67 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.67

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Results: $30.84 pot ($1.54 rake)
Final Board: J 7 9 A 6
MP3 showed 8 9 and won $29.30 ($14.03 net)
Hero mucked K Q and lost (-$15.27 net)

Villain is 53/6, 1,5 aggression weak player.

1. What do you think about first 2 barrels?
2. Since he minbet, ch T. When he checks river again I'm figuring he either has a missed draw, or a weak pair. Is a 3rd barrel worth it to represent an Ace and take him off a lower pair?

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seems not

Should I even try this kind of elaborate plays to make fish fold weaker hands at these limits?

Ty,
Daniel

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veriz

Joined: 20.07.2008

Posts: 64,009

13.02.2012, 02:33 0

Hello M1rCea,

Flop: I like the raise here and most likely I would have done the same. But I'd most likely raise a bit bigger, ~$2 as I would CB that amount.
Turn: Most likely I wouldn't be 2nd barreling here against a fish cause you will rarely have much fold equity and we don't want to face Check/Raise, just Check it behind!

As played
River: You kind of overplaying your hand, you will rarely have fold equity vs loose opponent. Give up! Don't try to bluff a station, easy and simple rule.

Best Regards.

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M1rCea

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13.02.2012, 17:02 0

thank you veriz

considering we don't really know our opponent (if he is a station or not)

If we ch/back turn doesn't it show the strength of our hand? thus we just hope to hit one of our 12 outs I guess

Isn't the turn a good scare card to barrel on? Also, we still have 24% chance to hit our draws. Can we 2nd barrel, smaller (like 2,25), to give ourselves the right odds to hit our outs (disconsidering the fact that maybe even the K, Q are valid outs)?

And maybe just give up river if we don't hit.

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veriz

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14.02.2012, 01:04 0

considering we don't really know our opponent (if he is a station or not)

Can't really do that -> limp preflop -> loose opponent. Plus not fully stacked.

If we ch/back turn doesn't it show the strength of our hand? thus we just hope to hit one of our 12 outs I guess

What do you mean strength? It could also show weakness. Because we are scared of the Ace. ♦

Isn't the turn a good scare card to barrel on? Also, we still have 24% chance to hit our draws. Can we 2nd barrel, smaller (like 2,25), to give ourselves the right odds to hit our outs (disconsidering the fact that maybe even the K, Q are valid outs)?

Well, it may be against thinking opponents but most likely not against loose opponents which I expect this opponent being.

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M1rCea

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14.02.2012, 11:14 0

yeah I meant the strength, as in the lack of strength like we are also on a draw or a medium hand that doesn't want to protect.

but then again yeah, opponent may be very well only looking at his own hand.

man, I should really stop trying to bluff fishes when they show aggression...

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