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77 middlepair against cbet

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His cbets are frequent.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $20(BB) Replayer
Hero ($1,520)
($1,480)

Dealt to Hero 7♣ 7♠

raises to $60, Hero calls $40

FLOP ($120) 4♣ 9♥ 3♥

Hero checks, bets $120, Hero raises to $250, folds

Hero shows 7♣ 7♠

Hero wins $360


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wasy8
Joined: 29.01.2009

Hello,

A few questions in order to evaluate this hand properly.

What do you think his 3bet shoving range is on the flop? Are you calling a shove? Does he like to barrel his draws air after getting his flop cbet called or does he give up?


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Hey Wasy, this was the 4th hand in a match that lasted for ten hands. So I can't answer those questions. This was the first flop we saw.

I probably raised because despite the showdown value there are many turns I don't want to see. Not sure if that is reason enough to raise though. I guess I should be willing to call a shove if I am raising here. Or no? I don't think I'm really ready to call a shove.

Also potting the flop is not a proper value bet by the generic opponent which I'm used to so I can push them off some hands which can improve on the turn/river (and make my life more difficult.) This was the first aggro move so maybe it's more believable.


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I guess there are many hands that continue on this flop so I got lucky.


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Gavron23
Joined: 26.05.2010

I think he meant to ask you:
do you raise for value or as a bluff on the flop?
You should not just raise with no plan what to do if he shoves over you or calls. As a default readless I would prefer to flat and reevaluate turn.

But I am not a good HU player so.. :)


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I'm raising for value but also because I don't want to get to the turn. So 'Protection'?

If he calls I re-evaluate but it's either a blank or not.


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wasy8
Joined: 29.01.2009

As a default I am calling the flop here and reevaluating turn. When you don't really know how he plays any part of his range vs a flop raise and you have a medium strength hand - your raise doesn't accomplish anything.

Its not a raise for protection because you're not actually protecting against anything, you're just bloating the pot when you don't know what to do on a lot of turns and rivers. Yes he has draws in his range - but outside of some gutshots that you crush he doesn't fold any of them.

Say he calls the flop instead of folding. Turn is K :spade: - what do you do? Keep betting? Then river is 4s.

You:
a) shove and he folds
b) check fold
c) check call (but it doesn't sound like youre prepared to do this)

Spoiler

Villain shows Q :heart: 6 :heart:

And thats even if you are betting for value. Do you kinda see where I'm going with this?

Basically the cliffs of what I'm saying is that it's perfectly OK to call down marginal strength hands on drawy boards. If you raise, have a plan. :)


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