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Hawat
Joined: 15.02.2008

Let's see if I learnt anything yesterday ;)

Second and third hands at this table. The table was about 37% P/F and the known, tight players were in the opposite side of the table so I supposed the ones surrounding me were looser.

Stats still broken in Elephant.

1) 0.5/1 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (10 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.44 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is BB with J♦, 4♠
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO calls, 2 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (6.50 SB) Q♥, T♠, J♣ (6 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) Q♦ (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

River: (9.25 BB) 2♣ (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks.

Final Pot: 9.25 BB

Results follow (highlight to see):
UTG shows a pair of queens (9c 7h)
Hero shows two pairs, queens and jacks (Jd 4s)
UTG+1 shows a pair of queens (As 5h)

Hero wins with two pairs, queens and jacks (Jd 4s)

I had just read the "Overcalls" article but isn't this too much calling? :P

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2) 0.5/1 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.44 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7♠, 7♦
6 folds, BU raises, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, BU calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (12.00 SB) J♠, 3♣, 8♥ (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, BU calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) T♣ (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, BU bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (10.50 BB) 2♣ (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, BU bets, Hero calls, BB folds.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB

Results follow (highlight to see):
Hero shows a pair of sevens (7s 7d)
BU shows high card ace with queen kicker (As Qh)

Hero wins with a pair of sevens (7s 7d)

BB here is UTG from the previous hand.

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And this one was while waiting this post, several hands later:

3) 0.5/1 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (10 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.44 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8♣, 7♦
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, 6 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (3.50 SB) 8♥, 3♥, J♦ (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG bets and is all-in, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (3.24 BB) 5♦ (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG+2 calls.

River: (5.24 BB) 5♣ (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG+2 folds.

Final Pot: 6.24 BB

Results follow (highlight to see):
UTG shows two pairs, fives and threes (Ks 3s)
Hero shows two pairs, eights and fives (8c 7d)

Hero wins with two pairs, eights and fives (8c 7d)

I still feel these were lucky hands and I'm not sure if they're well played.


6 replies
Dippy19
Joined: 04.12.2007

1) I'd strongly consider folding the turn, except if you know the player likes to bluff and even then it's a bit dangerous.

2)Why 3-bet preflop? I would only call it, since you are in SB. But I would bet this flop, since they appear to have strong hands preflop and the only high card on the flop is J, soo if they don't have PP or AJ you are ahead. But I would fold to a raise, at least on the turn if not the flop.

3)I would check/call the river.


Hawat
Joined: 15.02.2008

1) I think that with this preflop game I'm losing only to a Q or something like K9/KJ/TJ (maybe TT from UTG?). With 2 Q's and 2 J's shown this is less probable. Anyway they were unknown players so they could be playing AA/KK from EP too.

2) The 3-bet is from the expanded SHC. Do you mean you would fold to BU bet here? Probably, as I'm holding just 4-th pair :) I'm not counting on BB having anything here after seeing 1)

3) I think you're right as I'm not making him fold any better hand.

I forgot to say that some of these players had small stacks so I thought they'd be playing a little LAger. I can't remember which of them, though.


Dippy19
Joined: 04.12.2007

1) Don't forget J4+, 89, Qx, I would do it with at least J8+, maybe...

2)Oh, I only use BB protection from that and some SB calling :)


frzl
Joined: 25.04.2006

1) don´t lead THIS flop against 15 people

2) i don´t like the donk. check and see what happens. most likely you are down to 2 outs. preflop is ok. if you are unsure how to play postflop: stick to the shc which says to fold. i don´t like a call. you don´t get the odds to call for set value and medium pairs just suck oop against 2. 3-bet or fold. against an BU open raiser a 3-bet is definately +EV

3) i agree with check/call river. there are some busted draws he might bluff (flush draw, T9, Q9 etc.)


Hawat
Joined: 15.02.2008

1) Ok, so THIS is the wrong place to bet a second pair :(

@Dippy: I split against J4+ ;) I'm counting on Qx, but a little less as the second Q appeared on the table.

2) This was supposed to be a continuation bet. From what I've read, sometimes I understand that contibets are played whenever you raised preflop and sometimes that only when you have the initiative. I'll re-read the articles.

3-bet turn? That sounds great. How would you play after that?
"against an BU open raiser a 3-bet is definately +EV" How do you know this?

About the expanded SHC. If it's THAT advanced maybe it shouldn't be in the bronze section. I might go back to the original shc and use this as Dippy says (I was using the silver chart before for that). But the expanded one is a lot funnier :P


2) Continuation bet is only if you were the aggressor on the previous street. What you have done is a donkbet. There is an article about donkbetting but I don't like donkbetting very much.

frzl is talking about the preflop 3-bet not about the turn. Don't 3-bet the turn! :)