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k4ileb
Joined: 10.10.2010

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $50(BB) Replayer
SB ($1,400)
BB ($870)
Hero ($3,108)
UTG+1 ($1,372)
CO ($2,369)
BTN ($4,381)

Dealt to Hero Q♦ Q♥

Hero raises to $125, UTG+1 calls $125, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $75

FLOP ($400) K♥ 2♥ 5♦

BB checks, Hero bets $260, UTG+1 folds, BB raises to $745 (AI), Hero calls $485

TURN ($1,890) K♥ 2♥ 5♦ K♠

RIVER ($1,890) K♥ 2♥ 5♦ K♠ A♥

Spoiler

BB shows T♣ K♣
(Pre 33%, Flop 86.7%, Turn 95.5%)

Hero shows Q♦ Q♥
(Pre 67%, Flop 13.3%, Turn 4.5%)

BB wins $1,890

36/23 opp. he has a lot of Kx in his range but i got 2nd best pair + backdoor FD. is it worth it?


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Luupainaja
Joined: 16.03.2010

I think its ok. But if there werent a FD, i think checking and calling a bet is better.


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kurrkabin
Joined: 12.10.2010

Hi, k4ileb!

Preflop is ok, sizing is good.

Postflop though, I like to check better. Board is super dry + have nice back up equity with our second nut flush runner-runner and we hate life if we get c/r from UTG. As played, if I bet, I will go for like 1/2 pot size, as played I call the shortstack. We can't fold, odds are too good.


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chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

Hi all,

I'm fine with your play on this board. If it was slightly more coordinated I think checking is better. Here I don't think UTG check/raises flushdraws often enough to put us in a tough spot. I'm pretty comfortable just bet/calling against BB and b/f against UTG.


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kurrkabin
Joined: 12.10.2010

What's wrong with checking flop? We only fear an ace now. We can't go 3 streets of value vs UTG anyway. Betting in a 3-way pot with a shortie involved shows strength, which is gonna make it hard for them to come along with worse often + we turn our hand into a bluff if we (even rarely) get raise with a draw. Not to mention we have back up equity with the runner-runner second nut FD + there is a higher chance to extract value from UTG's mid pairs such as 99-JJ on turn and river if we check the flop. We also give them room to fire up a bet with their bluffs/mid pairs or whatever.

To sum it up,

I think we have to pot control a bit here with that over on the board + it's a 3-way pot + it makes it easier to extract value from worse hands if we check flop and much harder to do so if we bet the flop. Our r-r FD equity makes it even less tempting for us to bet as there is not that much to protect from and we wanna keep worse hands in their range!


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chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

we get value from flushdraws if players aren't willing to check/raise them enough and put us in tougher spots. basically it's only when someone is aggressive with a nice balanced range that we get into tough spots betting QQ here on the flop


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