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Dublimax
Joined: 22.11.2008

Shove the river?
Well I guess it depends if we think he can fold his overpairs because at this point he only has PP in his range 33+. Only pb is that I think ppl tend to call a lot when there is a missed FD and I think he would call a shove here. In his shoes I would hate my life if I had to call with less than AA here though

Villain is relatively unknown only 60 hands. So far he played 20/13, 3B 1/29

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $253.91 (253.9 bb)
Hero (SB): $208.87 (208.9 bb)
BB: $343.81 (343.8 bb)
UTG: $130.68 (130.7 bb)
MP: $304.15 (304.2 bb)
CO: $172.60 (172.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q K
4 folds, Hero raises to $3, BB raises to $9, Hero calls $6

Flop: ($18) 3 4 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $10, Hero raises to $28.59, BB calls $18.59

Turn: ($75.18) T (2 players)
Hero bets $46.50, BB calls $46.50

River: ($168.18) 5 (2 players)
Hero ??

I would shove on any diamond, heart, K and possibly Q. Not sure on total blank.


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I think you are getting snapped all day everyday on this river card


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Dublimax
Joined: 22.11.2008

3,4,5 are prob the worse cards for me as it reduce the number of sets obviously.

Would you shove on blanks such as 8,9,T,J?


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getdotacom
Joined: 06.04.2008

I think he's not folding any pair here. He can have some missed draws, but you beat huge part of them. Shoving is the worst option IMO because he folds only hands we beat. C/C would be a better option than shoving in most cases, if he's not turning Ahi into a bluff here. Definitely any :heart: or :diamond: is a shove, but I'm not really sure I'm shoving anything else. Maybe 6 is a good card, we can rep some gutshots. I'm not really sure we can shove Q or K for value. His value 3betting range is something like JJ+,AQ most likely and he continues only with few bluffs that hit something after our flop c/r. Q definitely gives us a better bluffcatcher, not really sure about K, it think it's close if we assume he's not folding AK on the flop and turn.


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In theory it's a shove, as we have a stronger range + we've made it to the river with K-Q high (the bottom of it shall we say ;) ) and there are no more cards to come. Problem is as everyone says he just isn't going to fold so as it's zoom and no-one is paying attention cos they are frantically clicking buttons I'd just let him have it and be really tilted if he somehow has A6 of diamonds.

Jam next time on a better river ;)


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Dublimax
Joined: 22.11.2008

Yeah I agree with you all that on that river it is probably a give up. which is what I did and he had 77.


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BC1989RF
Joined: 09.04.2010

I doubt villain often has QQ+ after flop play. his range leans a lot towards draws/weak pairs imo.

i would play super imbalanced
shove diamonds,
check K, Q, and hearts.

I prolly shove J and maybe 6/7. agree that this river card sucks.


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Dublimax
Joined: 22.11.2008

Originally posted by BC1989RF
I doubt villain often has QQ+ after flop play. his range leans a lot towards draws/weak pairs imo.

i would play super imbalanced
shove diamonds,
check K, Q, and hearts.

I prolly shove J and maybe 6/7. agree that this river card sucks.

Why wouldn't he have QQ+ on the flop. He is not getting it in that deep imo.


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BC1989RF
Joined: 09.04.2010

Originally posted by Dublimax

Why wouldn't he have QQ+ on the flop. He is not getting it in that deep imo.

yeh just reread the hand in your blog and saw stack sizes. agree, QQ+ is not to be discounted that much; he prolly even b/c more often than b3b them.


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