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MeAmor22
Joined: 07.05.2011

Hy,
Party, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

MP1: $0.68 (34 bb)
BTN: $1.22 (61 bb)
MP2: $2.53 (126.5 bb)
CO: $3.26 (163 bb)
UTG+2: $2 (100 bb)
Hero (UTG+1): $2.05 (102.5 bb)
BB: $4.52 (226 bb)
MP3: $0.58 (29 bb)
SB: $2 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q A
Hero raises to $0.08, 3 folds, MP3 raises to $0.14, 5 folds

Results:

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$0.19 pot
MP3 mucked and won $0.19 ($0.11 net)

1)My fold is ok or I should have called his reraise?
Ty


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I think it was an ok fold. Because if he is a tight player he would only raise with hands that has you dominated or hands that gives you a coinflip.

Following the BBS starting hand chart a raise is either TT - AA or AK
Starting Hands Chart (BBS)

He also had position on you, making it hard to play post-flop


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veriz
Joined: 20.07.2008

Hello MeAmor22,

Against his stack as I am opening such hands from UTG I'd just ship it. He isn't even playing with full stack and unless he was really tight I would just ship it cause I assume the guy could easily have a lot worse hands in his range.

Best Regards.


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I cant really understand the thought process behind going all-in. It seems like you automaticaly assumes that he has a bad hand because he has a low stack. Yes, he is probably bad, you can tell based on the size of the reraise and his small stack, but even if he is a bad player he can still have good hands.

Let me ask a question; If he had a 2$ stack, would you have reraised all-in?

Going all-in just just seems like a very uncertan desicion.
And i also get the feeling that he is trying to lure us in. A bet so small can never work as a bluff. The bet might mean that he has some hand like ATs and he thinks its a little bit good and reraises with a small raise.

I guess it is just like many other hands in poker, that it is based on the read you have of the oponent. But still i don't think you should underestimate a player just because he has a low stack.


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veriz
Joined: 20.07.2008

Why would I want to go all-in vs $2? I would just call his min-raise and play postflop while against his stack it's not that easy and we don't get the implied odds.

Because I assume that usually not fully stacked players ain't thinking players unless they prove something else to me. :) Neither the min-raise doesn't make sense.


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Yes, you have some good points, but i still want to go more deeply in to this. :]

I will try to compare different situations accordingly to what kind of player we are facing. And at the end draw a conclusion.

1) He is a loose agressive player and also a calling station:

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Actions:
- He will reraise with weak hands
- He will call with all the weak hands

His reraising range is in this picture:

Equity:
Equity Win Tie
Hero 60.72% 58.52% 2.20% { AcQc }
Villain 39.28% 37.07% 2.20% { 22+, A2s+, K6s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, A8o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo }

Out of 10,000 hands the profit will be:
Win = 6072 * 1,16$ = 7043,52$
Loss = 3928* -1,16$ = - 4556,48$

Total: 2487,04$

2) He is a loose agressive player, but capable of folding the worst hands:

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Actions:
- He will raise with weak hands
- He will fold weak hands to a all-in

The reraise range is the same as last time but here is his calling range to an all-in:

He will fold 40 of 58 times giving us:
Win = 6896,55 *0,22$ = 1517,24$

He will call 18 of 58 times and then the equity is this:

Equity Win Tie
Hero 51.05% 45.88% 5.18% { AcQc }
Villan 48.95% 43.77% 5.18% { 77+, ATs+, KJs+, AJo+, KQo }

Win = 1567,24 * 1,16$ = 1818$
Loss= 1519,14 * -1,16$ = -1762,2$

Total: 1573,04$

3) Tight player:

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Actions:
- He will raise good hands
- He will call all-in with the same hands

The reraise range is according to the BSS starting hand chart:

Equity Win Tie
Hero 34.36% 33.42% 0.94% { AcQc }
Villain 65.64% 64.70% 0.94% { TT+, AKs, AKo }

Win = 3436 * 1,16$ = 3985,76$
Loss = 6564 * -1,16$ = -7614,24$

Total: -3628,48$

Coparison:
Reraising all-in when he is a a terrible player: + 2477,76$
Reraising all-in when he is a bit loose but is able of folding: + 1573,04$
Reraising all-in when he playes decent: -3628,5$

Conlusion:
We can see that we have to move all-in against more than two bad players everytime we meet a good player. Although you play agains a terrible player: reraising with Q8s, A2s and calling all-in you still dont earn more than you lose against a tight player.

I usually follow the rule: better to be the safe than sorry and this is a decision that is kind of edgy to me, therefore i want to fold.

Comment: My calculations can be wrong, so feel free to recalculate.
I am new to this game, so i dont know all there is about different kinds of odds and plays. If i miss some important thing like then please tell me how much it would effect the decision and so on.


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veriz
Joined: 20.07.2008

Well, we could just ask a basic questions:
1) Is he fully stacked? - No, so he is a bad player.
2) Is he raising normally? - No, he doesn't even know what raise size to use.

Those are just few questions I already asked and got negative answer. What makes you think he is tight? :)


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My thoughts:
- I agree with you that he is a bad player
- you cant automaticaly say he is super loose
- If his reraising range is tight you lose alot, if it is loose you win a little


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veriz
Joined: 20.07.2008

Originally posted by Musematte
My thoughts:
- I agree with you that he is a bad player
- you cant automaticaly say he is super loose
- If his reraising range is tight you lose alot, if it is loose you win a little

I didn't say that he is super-loose but from the questions I asking myself I am assuming that it's the case.

How comes we win only a little? You did do the calculations yourself even and prove that we win enough of money there.


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