Originally posted by lilDave
Heyyyyy,
The flop is a call 100%, I assume he's going to be pretty strong when he donks but our hand is way too good to fold, also there is a lot of relevance to a 1/2 pot bet OTF, in general for weaker live players I'd lean AWAY from small flushes with a half pot bet (I think a small flush would look to c/r or bet bigger to protect)
I'd be thinking more sets (speshly with the UTG limp/call, mid PP
s always seem to show up here live) or a hand like Ah Tx/Jx/9x etc but thenn limp calling any of those hands UTG would be quite bad 9 handed and if this is a game in Vegas(?) it's actually not something you see much off in the vegas/US games as people, even weaker players tend to be much more aggressive pre-flop than you find in english live games.
I know 88 should be a similar hand to 3h4h but I would fully expect a set to bet smaller than a flush because a set just wants to call a flop raise whilst a baby flush will wanna 3bet (if that makes sense)
I'm pretty sure the turn is a fold, given how PP heavy his pf range is and how he bets again, seems really strong, our made hand is either crushed or pretty venerable and our draw is just to a pretty average bluff-catcher, if we river a heart and he bets again that is almost certainly a fold. He might be taking off with the Ah and something else but people really don't barrel off all that much in live poker (with some exceptions ofc lol)
As for the river it's a slam dunk fold I'm afriad, there is now nothing he can bluff with and his line is so strong, if he is bluffing here then let him have it, he'll prolly show you as well as they always do so will be useful to know, most of the time you're getting shown four 8s or 9's full though.
I think a general rule should be to fold to nearly every river bet you face in these type of live games, people just don't bluff.
Was this in Vegas? How you been getting on?
Firstly thanks for responding since you are in Vegas.
No, this is in Alberta, Canada. I have never played in Vegas but based on what I have heard our low stakes games are alot softer than Vegas. My wr is $38/hour through 600 hours. This game is 1/2 with a $500 buyin max (only a few of the good regulars myself included and a few rich fish buyin for max tho). This game in general is quite loose and I am almost always one of the tightest at the table other than the old nits.
I agree with you on the flop. Your comment about the turn is surprising but now that I think about it, I dont think a fold is too bad. Looking back, I completly agree on the river. It is definatly a fold. My thought process was kind of like "I have the nut flush, I dont think he would donk a set, I call" but thinking back it is very possible for him to donk a set here.
He ended up having A8s (FML).
edit: and thanks pleno1 for letting Dave know about my post.
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