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axelphoney
Joined: 03.10.2009

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($97)
BB ($99)
UTG ($167)
CO ($109)
Hero ($172)

Dealt to Hero T♥ Q♦

UTG raises to $3, fold, Hero raises to $9, fold, fold, UTG calls $6

FLOP ($19.50) T♦ 7♦ 5♠

UTG checks, Hero bets $11, UTG raises to $28, Hero calls $17

TURN ($75.50) T♦ 7♦ 5♠ 7♠

UTG bets $25, Hero folds

UTG wins $72.50

villain: 19/17
500 hands
85% fold to 3bet (18)

Without any reads against a player who so far had been folding a ton to 3bets what line do you prefer OTF here?

As played I am calling since he isn't repping much besides slowplayed JJ+ and my range will look pretty strong when I call so I doubt he will try to get me off anything when we get to the turn,

Thoughts?


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ilares
Joined: 25.10.2009

i dont know if 3b ip QTo is a great idea, but why not

when you get c/r on flop, his range is set and draws, sometimes JJ-AA, i like the call here

but why you fold turn? his range is strong because im not sure if he would bet 1/3 with a draw, but i would be curious here, i would call here and most of rivers

his agg% on turn?


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axelphoney
Joined: 03.10.2009

I think QTo is actually a pretty decent hand to 3bet here, given he fold a ton, and it has 2 blockers.

I folded turn because I just cant see this bet ever beeing a bluff, and if he has a draw I am pretty sure he'd bet bigger.

I am pretty sure the sample is way to small to have any use of the turn ag stats so I think we can just ignore those.


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ilares
Joined: 25.10.2009

i dont think T is a great blocker since on AQ,JJ a std range of opr/call on utg you have no Tx

turn i agree hsi sizing his weird but it would be genius to bet this small with a draw


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pleno1
Joined: 19.11.2010

Hey, would prefer kj if we wanted blockers to 3bet bluff as 10 is semi irrelevant.

As played I would prolly just b/f fold as absurd as it sounds, if we call we basically commuting and I think his range beats us here as he can definitely have all the overpairs.

Perhaps we could cb flop and call call and rep AK? Or even turn out hand into a bluff if A comes ott.

Thoughts?


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axelphoney
Joined: 03.10.2009

KJo would be better indeed, but against this guy i dont think the hand matters rhat much as he just seemed to fold a bunch anyway.

As for the postflop play, dont you think calling the flop cpuld be okey anyway? As you say though, he could probably have all the overpairs in his range but also hands like AQ that he could bluff with or even looser if he starting to realize he is getting exploited by folding too much against 3bets. And if he wants to bluff I think most of the time he will shut down OTT as our range will look kinda strong if we peel his flopraise. Thoughts on that?

Otherwise I like your line of checking back the flop, only downside with that line would be that we let him choose the betsizing against a perceived weak range and we also run the risk of getting outdrawn, even if that is probably not of that much concern on this particular board


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Dublimax
Joined: 22.11.2008

I would ck back this flop too.
If he folds a lot to 3B pre flop then his range must be strong when he calls unless he started adjusting. I am really not happy to have action post flop with QT on that board.


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axelphoney
Joined: 03.10.2009

Good point. So then if you check back here what would your plan be if you face bets OTT and river?


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Dublimax
Joined: 22.11.2008

Well I guess we would have to call twice unless an A comes maybe.
We are a bit in a vacuum regarding his calling range OOP. We know he's tight but does he have AA,KK in his range? Does he call AQ,AK?
So I would say until we know his calling range we should call twice


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ilares
Joined: 25.10.2009

that's the problem with 3betting QTo, you're lost on that kind of flop!


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axelphoney
Joined: 03.10.2009

True, but I will very rarely get to flop so should be OK anyway


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