180-Man FT 87o OTB: What's our line?

What's our image?
What is their 3-bet %?

If our usual move is to shove with good hands , my guess is open-shove . If our opponents thinks that we will induce them to shove over us , better move is raise/fold .

I would be feel more comfortable if the stacks on the blinds were opposite.

Hey Mr. moshman!

I tried given them a normal tag callingrange. Probably its tighter! And shoves becomes better:

PokerStars NLHE Tournament, ($22), t4000/t8000/t400 blinds, 7 handed, 30%/20%/11.9%/8%/6.5%/5%/35%/2.6% payouts
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{Tournament|PokerStars|22||4000|8000|400|180 3+r}
UTG: t155284 18 BBs{Player|UTG|155284|Fold|0}
UTG+1: t88474 11 BBs{Player|UTG+1|88474|Fold|0}
UTG+2: t157727 19 BBs{Player|UTG+2|157727|Fold|0}
CO: t101516 12 BBs{Player|CO|101516|Fold|0}
Hero: t122505 15 BBs{Player|Hero|122505|9h|8c}
SB: t102586 12 BBs{Player|SB|102586|None|0|Overridden|26|26}
BB: t142908 17 BBs{Player|BB|142908|None|0|Overridden|168|18|33|6}

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 9♥8♣
4 folds, Hero?

Opponent calling ranges when hero pushes:
SB (13+), BB (16+)

if i use sngwiz with a 180 payout structure -> $ev says push, chipev fold!
But its not that we win massive amount of chips!
Against tags and an agressive image of yours I probably would just fold it!

But I didn't do a EV calculation

Could you make one for us?

Rovarty, we have a fairly aggro/reg image, and apart from classifying them as TAGish based on small sample, we don't have enough hands to have accurate 3bet %.

Good points Carmelo.

Tiltberger, thanks for the Wiz analysis!

I agree that shoving is a fine play, but against opponents I don't know to have high 3bet %'s, I tend to prefer r/f'ing in spots like this, which allows us to play many hands in a low-risk way.

Would really like to hear others' opinions too if anyone else would like to chime in on this spot or similar ones

My standard would be r/f but against players that 3bet a ton I either shove or fold, depending on how tight I think the blinds are and if I "Have a feeling" Usually fold though, seems like we'll have really good spots in the future cos these games aren't that tough and we have a decent enough stack

If its two good 180 regulars I just never open with these stacks and my image they just shove such a wide range thinking im any two because im super agro. Ill balance a shove and fold against them here shove more on tougher tables. If its two randoms im raise folding all day long and let the regs see this in there hud and reshove into are value hands in the next game.

These games have recently gotten pretty reg infested and its very important to have good notes on all regulars

Imo there are two possibilities:
Raise/fold or a simple fold.

I don't like the open push. Our stack is quite good and my open pushing range with an M of 7 starts with 65s/T9o. Since there is a considerable bubble factor I tend to push even tighter.

Which option I finally choose mainly depends on table flow, opponents image etc.

Regards,
Asaban

Ya its gotta be like 7 winning regulars to shove this. otherwise its too marginal . But if it is 7 regs i love a shove here since all have close stacks small payjumps and a profitable shove vs most.

If theres even 1 fish left at the table who could potentially spew its almost always better to fold

Shoving is burning money vs anyone. standard rf vs all but barking lunatics.