I'd like to ask to experienced NL SH players:
What stats do you think are excellent for TAG and LAG players??
I'd like to ask to experienced NL SH players:
What stats do you think are excellent for TAG and LAG players??
in random order:
VPIP, PFR, 3Bet%, Foldto3bet%, Squeeze%, ATS, Cbet%, FoldToCbet%, 2nd Barrel%, Foldto2ndBarrel%, WTSD, Check/raise flop%, foldSBtoSteal%, foldBBtoSteal%, AF
against good tags/lags and over a big sample size, 4bet% and foldto4bet% are useful too
I think he meant the values for that. ![]()
I don't recommend to play lag, so I just tell you for tag. ♦
And still it depends on which limits you play.
VPIP: ~18
PFR: ~15
WTSD:~26
AF: ~2.5 - 3.0
ATS: ~ 30
Fold SB to steal: ~91
Fold BB to steal: ~88
This is just a direction. You don't have to have exactly these stats. I suggest to play this style up to NL100.
Best regards,
TribunCaesar
I see...
I was up 3Bi first week with SH and now I'm in a big downswing... 5BI lost in one sigle day. It's incradible how big are the SH swings. ![]()
In 1.2k hands (I know it's a small sample size) my stats are:
VP$IP: 15.2
PFR: 12.9
WTSD: 24.5
ATS: 22.0
Fold SB to steal: 91.6
Fold BB to steal: 91.2
Too tight? (BTW, I play NL20 SH, and they shove with any2...)
These swings crushed me! =(
you may be playing a little too tight, but I'm not sure, I never played Nl20sh...btw, 5BI swings are nothing.. if you can get used to 10+BI swings on a regular basis, then you'll be fine
Originally posted by swissmoumout
you may be playing a little too tight, but I'm not sure, I never played Nl20sh...btw, 5BI swings are nothing.. if you can get used to 10+BI swings on a regular basis, then you'll be fine![]()
OMG Don't say that...
ahhhhhhh 10 BIs...
They shove with any single hand. I think I must play tighter than usual. Maybe if one day I get used to these 10 BI swings I loosen-up.
Originally posted by ratex
Originally posted by swissmoumout
you may be playing a little too tight, but I'm not sure, I never played Nl20sh...btw, 5BI swings are nothing.. if you can get used to 10+BI swings on a regular basis, then you'll be fine![]()
OMG Don't say that...
ahhhhhhh 10 BIs...
Well, 10 on a regular basis.. you will get 15+BI downs every now and then
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Originally posted by swissmoumout
Originally posted by ratex
Originally posted by swissmoumout
you may be playing a little too tight, but I'm not sure, I never played Nl20sh...btw, 5BI swings are nothing.. if you can get used to 10+BI swings on a regular basis, then you'll be fine![]()
OMG Don't say that...
ahhhhhhh 10 BIs...
Well, 10 on a regular basis.. you will get 15+BI downs every now and then
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I'm afraid to ask about your worst downswing...
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oops yeah sorry I probably was a little tired
swiss could you post lifetime graph (NL100 and above ?)
it's not exactly lifetime since I lost my old DB ~mid march, but this is NL200 and half my NL100 hands... doesn't really matter that the rest isn't there since I was a donk till ~hand 11k ![]()

I believe the word you are looking for is "swongs"
Originally posted by ratex
I see...I was up 3Bi first week with SH and now I'm in a big downswing... 5BI lost in one sigle day. It's incradible how big are the SH swings.
In 1.2k hands (I know it's a small sample size) my stats are:VP$IP: 15.2
PFR: 12.9
WTSD: 24.5
ATS: 22.0
Fold SB to steal: 91.6
Fold BB to steal: 91.2Too tight? (BTW, I play NL20 SH, and they shove with any2...)
These swings crushed me! =(
I think you can play that tight on nl20SH.
But, you only got 22%ATS, should be higher!
I tried some nl25sh last week, played 11k hands with stats:
VP$IP 16
PFR 13
ATS 27
WTSD 25.7
F SB 91
F BB 86 (3-bet a bit light to some players that got very high ATS..)
Total AF: 3.23
11k hans with 5.7bb/100
omg sick heater at 44K, nice subsequent downswing too ♦
but you're not having 10BI swings that often though (I count 1 at the end)
Originally posted by lilprincess
omg sick heater at 44K, nice subsequent downswing too ♦but you're not having 10BI swings that often though (I count 1 at the end)
one -15BI, and a lot of ~-5bi swings, but that's a very small sample, there'll be more