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devinni
Joined: 30.08.2012

Should I have capped the turn? Should i have bet the river?

PokerStars - $0.02/$0.04 - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG+1: $3.06
MP: $0.44
MP+1: $0.70
CO: $0.36
BTN: $1.51
SB: $0.78
BB: $1.29
Hero (UTG): $1.01

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has Q♠ A♠

Hero raises to $0.04, UTG+1 calls $0.04, fold, MP+1 calls $0.04, fold, BTN calls $0.04, fold, BB calls $0.02

Flop: ($0.21, 5 players) K♥ 7♠ K♠
BB checks, Hero bets $0.02, fold, MP+1 calls $0.02, BTN raises to $0.04, fold, Hero calls $0.02, fold

Turn: ($0.31, 2 players) 9♠
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.04, Hero raises to $0.08, BTN raises to $0.12, Hero calls $0.04

River: ($0.55, 2 players) 6♠
Hero checks, BTN checks


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Avataren
Joined: 28.04.2010

you should have gone nuts. I don't see any reason to be scared of a Full house when you got nut flush. If he miraculous have the FH then so be it. You have the top of your range and the board is perfect for you. especially if he has a king. Man you should have been ready to cap turn and river.

his check on the river makes me believe he has a pair like the 9

I would even 3bet the flop here to the hopes of he has a king and I get the flush.

scared play :(


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

I'd cap turn, but not three-bet the river against most villains. If he raises on the river, well, ..., would you raise in that spot with trips or a weak flush?

/Johan = :f_confused:


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Avataren
Joined: 28.04.2010

YohaN7 - take a look at what stakes it is played on. :) Tell me again you wont cap river. and a hell of a good reason why. chances are that devinni is the only one down there for miles and miles that just knows a little about playing FL and wants to win. rest doesn't care. They got flush even 32s they treat it as quads. GO ALL IN. or at least try to since this is FL.

Theres no way in hell that devinni should ever be scared of losing on this board. period.

maybe we wont raise with weak flush or trips BUT they do. those weak players there are tons of on 2c/4c. both 6max and FR. they just think i got flush hey let me raise he dont have a flush.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Edit again: Yes, you are right. I would bet 100% of the times at those stakes. Gharg! I must get out of this habit of continuing to argue when I'm wrong and proved wrong. It's so immature. (But that shows that my soul is younger than myself ) I'll let my previous version of this post stay because I think it's fundamentally sound thoughts in any case. End edit.

Ah, you got me wrong Avataren. I didn't argue against you.

What I really meant was that if you (or anybody else) have a tighter type of player against you, and if you are tight yourself, then you should seriously be asking yourself if you yourself would raise that river (with a capped flop and turn) before you three-bet. Are you a substantial favorite win the pot if he calls?

This is a question you could always ask yourself before raising on the river. What the answer to the question is is not set in stone.

Edit: What I do myself depends on the opponent. An easy application of Murphy's law then has it that I 3-bet if and only if I am losing and call if and only if I have him beat. The only exceptions are when I click the wrong button and fold.

/Johan = :f_confused:


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firsttsunami
Joined: 23.01.2006

Cap Turn! A boat like K7 77 K9 is too unlikely and he could be well coming over the top with just single trips or a worse flushdraw or as he did, 3bet something for a free showdown. People on the lowstakes use to overplay their hands and they do play more their own hand in absolute handstrenght which means: I have trips, trips is strong, i 3bet :)

You've been a little too weak on the turn. So next time cap and if he's raising again on the River: Call!


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Avataren
Joined: 28.04.2010

@YohaN7

I wasn't trying to be like mean or anything just saying that I don't think we should ask ourselves that question with the tight against you tight. due to the fact that we are on 2c/4c here. not 2/4 which would be a complete different history and needed a change of action perhaps.

Its just the fact that this hand is played on a 2c/4c table. Which makes me think that the opponent would be like a 80/0 rather than a 24/17 guy. hence I don't give the possibility of him having a Full House any worth. Like firsttsunami says these guys think "i got trips i raise" kind of mentality is a raging big factor on these stakes. I've played there haven't you ?:)

Im still kinda disagreeing with the call river raise. :/ Just because their raising range is so much weaker than it should be. Ive seen guys cap turn and river at these stakes with 9 and T high flush. Yes sometimes he has the K7 77 K9 stuff. but I still think when we cap turn and river and have this situation simulated 10000000000 times we will be in profit.


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