$1M Quartely Aa

i 3bet pre ~1k to start with that deep

i aslo raise somewhere into hand (raise flop/ call off or raise/call=shove turn cos baord is very drawy and villain will call off light)

depending on timing (if he bet /bet/ insta shove) i am more for calling river vs folding cos his betting patern on flop/turn is like he is seting up for river shove so imo AA beat his shoving range on river a ton, i know that the board run out bad and it looks very ugly for AA but i cant see him having a lot of value shoving hands imo (i dont think that he will snap shove JJ/TT/88/77 there on river so imo only snap shoving value hands r AQcc/AKcc/KQcc/99/9Ts
but when u think about it i dont think that he will bet flop into 4 players with AQcc/AKcc/KQcc so imo can only have like JJ/99/77/88/9Ts from his value range and as i said imo he is pausing before doing anything on river with JJ/99/88/77 on river and imo he is not always beting 99 on turn and imo he is not shoving 88/77 most of the time on river too so his value range is too thin imo => AND BTW YOUR HAND LOOKS A LOT LIKE DRAWING HAND OR 1 PAIR HAND)

when all that said imo (when u dont 3bet pre, which i realy hate) best is to get it in on flop/turn

flop => raise to ~2,7 call shove
turn => shove or maybe make it like 5800-6k call off

Hi all,

Raise/get it in on the flop. I think preflop can definitely be fine, although mostly people put coldcall ranges when people call from non-BB/non-BU/non-CO positions as quite strong (vs EP raises). But it's fine, calling and 3betting are both justifiable with AA here I think. Turn I'd just call, I think raising here is too thin and river is a good fold as played.

Originally posted by chenny8888
Turn I'd just call, I think raising here is too thin and river is a good fold as played.

range for villain? (flop=>turn=>river)

Hi all,

Range for betting the turn is quite wide, however I think his raise/get it in range on the turn is something like QQ+, T9, 87, sets and really strong draws like Q :spade:J :spade:, K :spade:J :spade:, J :spade:9 and J :spade:T :spade:.

Board: Jc 8c 7s 2s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 55.584% 54.16% 01.43% 834 22.00 { JJ+, 88-77, 22, KsJs, QsJs, JsTs, Js9s, T9s, 87s }
Hand 1: 44.416% 42.99% 01.43% 662 22.00 { AhAs }

Keep in mind that if we call we have position, allowing us to make good decisions on the river.

Originally posted by TheRebuz

Originally posted by chenny8888
Turn I'd just call, I think raising here is too thin and river is a good fold as played.

range for villain? (flop=>turn=>river)

Originally posted by chenny8888
Hi all,

Range for betting the turn is quite wide, however I think his raise/get it in range on the turn is something like QQ+, T9, 87, sets and really strong draws like Q :spade:J :spade:, K :spade:J :spade:, J :spade:9 and J :spade:T :spade:.

Board: Jc 8c 7s 2s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 55.584% 54.16% 01.43% 834 22.00 { JJ+, 88-77, 22, KsJs, QsJs, JsTs, Js9s, T9s, 87s }
Hand 1: 44.416% 42.99% 01.43% 662 22.00 { AhAs }

Keep in mind that if we call we have position, allowing us to make good decisions on the river.

i was asking what do u think is villain range as played street by street starting from F/T/R ??

so...as played

1) what do u think is villain range on flop Cbeting into 3 players?
2) what is villain range to continue 2barel vs Hero on that turn (with that sizing => imo seting up for river shove if got called)
3) and finaly what do u think is villain range reduced to when he shove river?

also do u think that villain will Cbet on flop most of the time with most of his flush draws/overcards combos (that u put in his turn range) on that drawy flop that deep vs 3 players, or do u think is more reasonable to assume that villain with those stats will go for pot control line on flop and just check and evaluate action behind him?

Thanks for great feedback guys

Flop bet range:

22, 77+, AQcc+, KcQc, KJss+, T9ss+, 87s (2 combos only). Lets say he checks some of his backdoor flushdraws on the flop (nit!). Doesn't matter. Some people may check some spade flushdraws on the flop. We cannot assume this.

Turn bet range: same as flop but maybe without the Jxss hands as well as TT and 99 (if he bets them, maybe he bets them bigger on the turn instead. Chances are he just checks them though).

River shove range: every single turn hand ONLY without 87s now.