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100$ Q9s vs a fish-river overbet?

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kurrkabin
Joined: 12.10.2010

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $30(BB) Replayer
SB ($3,690)
BB ($1,760)
UTG ($1,475)
Hero ($1,090)
BTN ($985)

Dealt to Hero Q♣ 9♣

fold, Hero raises to $67, fold, SB calls $52, fold

FLOP ($164) J♣ 7♦ 2♣

SB checks, Hero bets $90, SB calls $90

TURN ($344) J♣ 7♦ 2♣ J♦

SB bets $90, Hero calls $90

RIVER ($524) J♣ 7♦ 2♣ J♦ T♦

SB checks, Hero bets $390, SB calls $390

SB shows A♣ 2♥
(Pre 55%, Flop 51.2%, Turn 68.2%)

Hero shows Q♣ 9♣
(Pre 45%, Flop 48.8%, Turn 31.8%)

SB wins $1,304

Villain is a fish-48/31/1.0-agg.f-100 hands. Data was a bit different ingame, but it was quite obvious he is fishy and he is loose.

On the riv, I put him on some 7x, maaaaybe some other low pair like 88/99/66/A2. He is not strong for sure though. On the riv, I wanted to make him fold those, but I guess I was wrong. In game, I was thinking, should I have overbet shoved? I think that's the only sure way to make em fold, if ofc, my read on his hand is correct.


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Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

Flop and turn I like. Raising turn and shoving all rivers is the only alternative imo.

Otr, I think I just thank the fish for making it so cheap for us to see the river and check back. Problem is that these days even the fish like to bluff catch when they see that something doesn't add up.

Here we don't rep much at all otr. So even if we know he's weak, if he knows we are too, he will find a reason to look us up ( especially with such a big stack when he can afford to be wrong). I'm sure a river shove would work here pretty often but the r/r/r sucks.


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i call turn for my outs and probably check back river and concede the pot. i can see your thinking on trying to push him off 2x/7x what ever but i dont think its worth it vs this kind of fish, its too much risk for my liking.

Tim's raise turn/jam any river line is probably the best way to try get him to fold, although i would probably just auto flat turn in game without thinking and im still not sure a fish would fold + he can still have Jx in his range imo


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