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22$; 10man; bb300, Q7o freeplay vs a confusing line from a reg

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wiarygodny
Joined: 16.07.2009

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $300(BB) Replayer
SB ($1,860)
Hero ($3,865)
UTG ($5,175)
CO ($2,800)
BTN ($6,300)

Dealt to Hero 7♦ Q♠

fold, fold, BTN calls $300, fold, Hero checks

FLOP ($750) 6♦ Q♥ 9♥

Hero checks, BTN bets $500, Hero raises to $1,440, BTN raises to $6,000 (AI), Hero folds

BTN wins $3,630

he is a very, very good reg, some kind of a legend i guess (at least according to his sharkscope: 19k sample, avBI 19,3$, ROI 15,3%, all that playing mostly 6max, regular speed), no history
30/22/7/122 filtered for 6-5 handed

I know some good plrs start to open limp BU, i dont see that a lot in my games (tbh i think it was first time ever), i dont do it myself so you can imagine that it confused me big time. I dont even have a clue what range to put him on. Or maybe when its so shallow (13bb effective) i can assume that its a trap 100% of the time?

Anyway, ingame i didn't assume that, i was going for a ch/r on this flop since ch/calling would leave me in a weird spot on the following streets. When he sizes his 'cbet' so big im confused even more, but i went on with my plan anyway. Folding to his shove feels horrible but i dont think im ever good there, even getting great odds of 27%.

When i look at it all now i think that it was a trap, thats why he 'cbet' so big to protect on this super wet board (there's a slight chance he doesn't recognise me as a reg, tough i doubt it tbh) so it should be an easy ch/f on my part - do you guys agree with that read? If not do you like my line (maybe just a slightly smaller raise)? If not what are your alternatives?
ch/shove? (seems a bit spewy)
ch/r/c? sounds quite allright
bet/fold? i like it
bet/call? a bit spewy with no reads on him playing draws very aggro

this post is already too long so i just quickly ask :f_biggrin: - do you guys limp BU when deeper? If so whats your range? Whos in blinds? etc.

cheers!


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When I see BU-limps from regs around 10bb, it has always been a trap. But that doesn't meen nothing cause it happened just twice or so to me.
And to the deeper BU limping, i hear often about it but have never seen it in action.
I guess a "playability"-hand like 67s against loose bad blinds would be a good candidate?
one could construct something with a bigblind who doesnt like to fold his blind but gives up flop when he doesnt hit. than one could do it very wide, but how often do you have such a precise read one someone, plus the SB will enter the hand most often, so thats bs i guess.
intrested in further opinions.
on flop line:
hard one.
i dont like bet/fold, because a reg will shove his flushdraws (at least I would). so if you bet you have to call => check/raise(little smaller)/fold seems nice but if he's really good he could get to the idea that you are never really strong because of your preflop check (except Q6 and Q9) and shove wide. check/call brings the same problem


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firstly, filter your SS searches. ROIs are skewed by MTTs, i highly doubt he is actually running at 15% over 19k games in 6max. if he is please screenshot and send to me lol im intrigued.

for the hand, btn limp strategies are used to counter high rejam%. ie. if stacks are 15-20bbs effective he is going to get re-stealed very often by regs so limping the BTN can counter this. with 10-13bbs (like this hand) its not a good strategy because he is committed against a SB shove and it is much easier for you to exploit a BTN limp (if he is not balancing) by shoving pre with 13bbs compared to 20bbs.

for the hand, readless i would assume he is trapping and just c/f flop


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wiarygodny
Joined: 16.07.2009

I hope its not gonna breach any of the forum rules (i dont see why it would), if it does tough, my apologies, feel free to delete it :) If tdan89 is actually a user of this forum youve got my sincere respect, if you dont like me posting your SS here, pls PM me, ill take it down.

p.s. some values are a bit different than the ones i mention in my opening post cause i took the latter from my 'SS notes' i have, which are obviously limited compared to SS itself. As you can see i dont have an SS subscription so my search is limited. If anyone with a subscription wants to do the search more thoroughly and possibly find a proof that tdan is actually not a superhuman feel free to do it :)

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You still need to filter more. you can only do it with a subscription. but you need to filter for last 12 months and for a specific sng only, not all sng.

he looks like a good player, definitely. :)


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wiarygodny
Joined: 16.07.2009

Originally posted by lessthanthreee
for the hand, btn limp strategies are used to counter high rejam%. ie. if stacks are 15-20bbs effective he is going to get re-stealed very often by regs so limping the BTN can counter this.

so what range would you suggest doing that with (obv only against known regs in blinds who like to resteal wide)? Id assume the weaker part of my 'stealing' range, hands that are definietely not good enough for an induce. But thats not very ballanced so should i leave some of these in my r/f range and add some inducing hands simply? i guess ive answered my own question but anyway it would be nice if you could comment/confirm that. :)

out of curiosity - do you use this strategy? in other words is it a must on higher stakes with tougher competition or not really and while it may boost your ROI slightly it may not even be worth to 'work hard' on implementing?


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hands that play good post-flop but arent strong enough to r/c. like JTs/QJs.

its very easy to balance, just limp QQ+ to trap occasionally.

yes, i use it. I was one of the first people to use it in HSSTTs.

Its great for countering high 3bet resteals and for isolating 1 fish in the blinds when there is a good aggressive restealer in the other position.


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