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Mantelo
Joined: 12.05.2009

Hello buddies :f_cool:

Recently moved to Boss network, so I don't have accumulated much stats on the players. In this case BU plays 52/7 & SB 36/3 in 70 hands on both of them. Is this situation too optimistic to go broke? I have TopPair Good kicker + 2nd Nut Flushdraw but I can't imagine to be good enough time even against 2 fishes :f_frown:

Boss, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

CO: $22.71 (22.7 bb)
BTN: $34.47 (34.5 bb)
SB: $31.40 (31.4 bb)
Hero (BB): $141.45 (141.5 bb)
MP: $44.95 (45 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K J
2 folds, BTN calls $1, SB completes, Hero raises to $5, BTN calls $4, SB calls $4

Flop: ($15) 4 5 J (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $8, BTN raises to $29.47 and is all-in, SB calls $26.40 and is all-in, Hero ???


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

hi

i always fold here vs 100bb. being up against 2 shorties make it really tough. We are getting approximately 20-22% pot odds.

I think I call here. If our odds get worse (>25%) I would probably fold.


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pleno1
Joined: 19.11.2010

V interesting spot. Will have another look tomorrow.


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lnternet
Joined: 19.06.2012

might raise even larger preflop vs two marks

once they are both allin on the flop it becomes a very simple calculation. put them both on ranges and see if your equity is sufficient to call off.

Once you post that we chime in and criticize the ranges you put them on :]


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jules97
Joined: 10.06.2012

This is the shove range I gave for BUT

44,AJs,AsTs,As9s,As8s,As7s,As6s,As5s,As4s,As3s,As2s,KJs,QsJs,QsTs,Qs9s,Qs8s,Qs7s,Qs6s,Qs5s,Qs4s,Qs3s,Qs2s,Ts9s,Ts8s,Ts7s,Ts6s,9s8s,9s7s,9s6s,8s7s,8s6s,7s6s,AsJc,AsJd,AsJh,AsTc,AsTd,AsTh,As9c,As9d,As9h,As8c,As8d,As8h,As7c,As7d,As7h,KJo,QJo

This is the shove range I gave for SB

44,AsJs,AsTs,As9s,As8s,As7s,As6s,As5s,As4s,As3s,As2s,KJs,QsJs,QsTs,Qs9s,Qs8s,Qs7s,Qs6s,Qs5s,7s6s,AcJs,AdJs,AhJs,AsJc,AsJd,AsJh,KJo

So with these ranges, looks like a bad call. Would you guys change the ranges any?

FWIW I did it again in pokerstove but gave hero AsJc this time.


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lnternet
Joined: 19.06.2012

You put the button on way too tight of a range

he can have things besides flushes and top pairs :)

thinking any pair+fd. like not that he has 6d5s, but hands like that are possible, so you certainly have to put some non-nut hands like that into his range.

SB range looks good. overpushing is very strong, so mostly flush and a few 2pr/set/AJ/KJ looks good. Although you should also add a few stupid jams like 8d8s or AdQs.

Second stove you posted with AsJc for you one guy has KsTx hands, which you didn't have before. But those are hands I think you should have before. But AsJc >>> KsJc of course, that hand is a snap call for sure, no stoving needed.


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Mantelo
Joined: 12.05.2009

Originally posted by lnternet
might raise even larger preflop vs two marks

And I thought I am isolating too big here _cool:

Thanks Jules for making my homeworks :f_cool: I would give BU range a bit looser as well, like Internet suggested. The SB range looks fine.

The more I think about this hand, the more I feel crushed. Most often one of them has flushdraw with As and the other is either holding a set or a made flush. In that case I have close to 0 percent.

Another aspect to consider is that I have a position on both of them, so I can wait for a better spot. In many cases if I double a weak player, they insta sitout & leave. And it tilts me so much :)


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