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NL 100 3barrel bluff in 3bet pot

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tarantaleo
Joined: 07.07.2010

Hi , there

no history , we suppose the opponent is a regular , he's playing a few tables , only 120 hands with him for now and he is 18/14 with 8.8 3bet...

so the hand is :

$0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem
Prima
6 Players
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Stacks:
UTG ($102.76) 103bb
UTG+1 ($50) 50bb
CO ($166.49) 166bb
Hero (BTN) ($102.68) 103bb
SB ($103.58) 104bb
BB ($100) 100bb

Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 6 players) Hero is BTN Q♠ A♦
3 folds, Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, BB raises to $9, Hero calls $7

Flop: 8♦ J♦ 6♣ ($16.50, 2 players)
BB bets $10, Hero calls $10

Turn: 8♠ ($36.50, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $23, BB calls $23

River: 3♦ ($82.50, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero goes all-in $60.68

so on the flop he probably cbets most of his range we decide to float with nut bdfd and 2 overs , on the turn there comes an awful card for bluff and he checks , so we try to take down the pot and fold something like AK , TT , 99( if he got this ever) , AQ against which we split and some random hands with some equity. Wee plan to give up on the most of the rivers , except if the flush comes or maybe a K which is good card too if he call i guess.
On the river diamonds and i shove as as he played it i dont think he has very strong hands , but something like 99 , TT , KJ , QJ even mb , ( i dont think he has AK - but if he got it its even better) which he can lay down.

so what about the hand from preflop and on every street ?
his 3bet preflop is rather big 4.5x , should we 4bet bluff because its offsuited but if we are suited to call for more playability ?
should we check back the turn as we have some showdown value ?
if we check the turn can we ever bluff the river - as i think if we check back turn he would call us almost ever with any pair on the river ?


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

Hi.

Preflop is a standard call, no point 4betting this hand cos you want to do it as a bluff which I think is a complete waste of such a good hand. I would either 4bet for value (not vs this guy esp if you have no 4bet dynamics) or call.

Do you have his actual 3bet resteal range in these positions? Given that his overall 3bet is 9%, I suppose his true range here is perhaps 13-15%.

Flop: I think floating this with 2 overs + backdoors seems fine.

Turn: Question is whether we should check back for our showdown value or bet the Turn. I think the Turn is one which helps us, so I like turning our hand into a bluff. I prefer showing our hand down if Turn was more blankish, like a 2 or 3. At the same time I prefer bluffing on cards which improved our perceived range (diamonds, coordinating cards, 8X pairing etc).

River: River is the best card to bluff for sure, esp when we have Ace diamond blocker. Question is whether we should shove on a blank. I probably give up unless a coordinating card comes, like a T or 9 so that we can represent a straight.


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tarantaleo
Joined: 07.07.2010

Well the villain just snap called me with AJ which kinda surprised me - both the hand and the snap call ( like 2-3 seconds maximum) . So what do you think about his play - i dont really like it , i think he should bet the turn and c/c or c/f river , or even bet the river ...i think he put himself in unpleasant spot with checking on this turn ...
can we extract some general things about villain from this hand ?

thank you very much :)


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

Hmm c/c AJ on the Turn seems a little too weak, I think he still has value vs your KJ/QJs/JTs/J9s and should bet the Turn again. His line would seem more reasonable with a weaker JX hand though, since it's hard to imagine too much value by betting multiple streets.

Then again, 8X is kind of a card which hurts his hand, so maybe he wants to just induce and let you bet all your floats.

I think he can't really fold AJ here as played. It's the top of his range, you could potentially be value betting AJ KJ yourself (since his range looks super weak after checking the Turn). You also have a ton of AX floats and some straight draw floats like T9s or QTs.

From this hand I think he is probably not capable of making thin value bets when he pot controls turn with AJ.


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