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Avataren
Joined: 28.04.2010

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.20 Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Preflop: Hero is MP with J J
Hero raises, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls

Flop: (6 SB) J K 8 (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero calls, SB calls

Turn: (4.5 BB) 5 (3 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero calls

River: (7.5 BB) 4 (3 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero calls

Results: 10.5 BB pot (0.4 BB rake)
Final Board: J K 8 5 4
Hero shows J J

BB: 44/7/1,2/282 hands
this guy was the biggest fish most active of the table.
notes:
Limping A7s LJ(LowJack)

SB: 24/4/4,6/5k hands
this guy i have played a ton with and hes very very straight forward. obviously calls too much raises AA - JJ im not even sure if he raises AK .. probably but thats the only hands ive seen him ever raise.
notes:
calls AQo in BB and calls down on K high board
donker trips.
limping ATo EP
calling second pair ned multiway to raise on flop
cold call Q9o pre
cold call 66 SB underpair calling it down.

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I was going to try what JLeitmotiv always tells me to call flop raise turn( I told you JLeitmotiv it never works for me :D :D:D:D:D:D ). since he thinks i raise flop too much hehe. But when SB donks im 90% sure he has the flush. obviously he can have two pair or 55. but yeah since i got 5k hands on him his agg% is 15 - 20% which only makes it worse. So i decided to call down. Did i play too passively ?


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Boomer2k10
Joined: 22.09.2010

You're in a multiway pot and it's single raised

In this situation it's a super easy raise on the flop. The SB isn't folding a FD/SD or a K so you're just passing up value by not raising.

Where you should be looking to call flop/raise turn is generally when you're in position in a HU pot and usually when the pot's 3-bet because I can certainly see some flop IP in single raised pots (i.e. BB vs SB) where you'll want to stick action in immediately

Here isn't the time to get cute, smash raise.


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Avataren
Joined: 28.04.2010

okay .. ill go back to my own way of thinking again then raise flop and bet bet bet bet till eternity (ref. to my own quote in taavi1337's signature)

Thanks :)


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Yeah, man, you are getting it all wrong. 3ways, IP and you get donked in this super wet board. It doesn't get any better. A raise on the flop now does protect your hand, since SB will be getting something like 2:9 pot odds and can fold a lot of hands that could outdraw you like BDFD and gutshots and therefore give you his pot equity.

However, if you were in position HU without the initiative, I would call flop and raise the turn, but they are two different scenarios.


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Originally posted by Avataren
okay .. ill go back to my own way of thinking again then raise flop and bet bet bet bet till eternity (ref. to my own quote in taavi1337's signature)

Thanks :)

And, by the way, the actual quote from Taavi is

the only right thing to do is c/r flop and bet bet bet bet bet bet til eternity

See the difference between c/r flop and bet... and r flop and bet...


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Avataren
Joined: 28.04.2010

nitpicking f***ing argentinian donkey


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