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22$; 10man; bb100, QJo SB, got confused :)

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wiarygodny
Joined: 16.07.2009

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $100(BB) Replayer
Hero ($1,940)
BB ($1,800)
UTG ($2,260)
UTG+1 ($2,210)
UTG+2 ($2,350)
MP1 ($1,686)
MP2 ($1,910)
MP3 ($1,910)
CO ($2,024)
BTN ($1,910)

Dealt to Hero Q♣ J♥

fold, fold, fold, MP1 calls $100, MP2 calls $100, fold, CO calls $100, fold, Hero calls $50, BB raises to $200, MP1 calls $100, MP2 calls $100, CO calls $100, Hero calls $100

FLOP ($1,000) 3♦ Q♥ 5♣

Hero bets $600, BB folds, MP1 raises to $1,486 (AI), MP2 folds, CO folds, Hero calls $886

MP1 unknown 33/0/1/9

i guess my complete pre is fine getting 10% odds and a few fishy limpers, same reasoning after BB minraises and everybody calls, though im not so happy anymore obv.

i know in pots like that we stack off only with 2pair+ but here the pot on the flop is so huge that i thought i cannot just ch/f it, maybe that was my first mistake? Would you really ch/f TP 3rdK? (maybe i should since BB showed some serious strenght by only minraising after so many limpers, on the other hand by doing so he revealed himself as a massive fish as well)

so since ive decided that im not ch/folding i was really struggling to come up with any other line that would make some sense.

At first i thought abt open jamming flop (1.7 SPR), but id be called (almost) only by better hands, and (almost) all the worse are gonna correctly fold.

Ch/calling (ch/shoving) seems to be an option but it commits me anyway and leaves in an an awkward spot in general. Or maybe thats what i should have done since ive already decided that i dont mind investing more chips in the hand + this way i can get somebody to bet with a weaker hand + in case of some heavy action i can change my plan to ch/fold.

Eventually ive decided to lead the flop myself. Seriously i have no idea why (i felt REALLY confused while playing this hand), without any further plan etc. When he shoves over i dont particulary love my life but getting 22% odds i dont think i can do anything else than call (i may still be ahead, for some reason fish like to do stuff like that with low pockets + i may have 5 clean outs for 2pair/trips).
Maybe leading out is not so bad after all but i should have bet smaller (dry board) and fold to further action (especially from more than player)?


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c/c small bet on flop c/f to big bet. treat it like a limped pot, dont put a lot of chips in without 2 pair+


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