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tommygecko
Joined: 11.08.2012
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Well i was playing a DON and had to poop halfway so i was sitting out for awhile.

A player instructed in chat to raise vs me fast, and to call and check back when im allin with my last bb.

I know this is a common tactic vs sitting out guys in DONs but can this be considered a case of collusion (to openly instruct the other players)


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Rihard4a
Joined: 08.09.2010
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Poop on them man. :evil:


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Originally posted by tommygecko
had to poop halfway

I don't know about collusion but this is considered too much information... _biggrin:


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tommygecko
Joined: 11.08.2012
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Originally posted by Rihard4a
Poop on them man. :evil:

I wish I could but this isn't live :f_frown:


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badgerer
Joined: 29.03.2010
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this is most certainly collusion and seeing as they openly admitted it in chat there isn't even a question of a doubt.


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gadget51
Joined: 23.06.2008
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Hi tommygecko,

It doesn't sound in the spirit of fair play to me but I'm certainly no expert. Have you contacted the poke room's Customer Service about it? I don't know if they'd have a record of the chat box conversation though.

Let us know if anything comes of this please?

Regards,

Mal.


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Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008
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Originally posted by pucilpet

Originally posted by tommygecko
had to poop halfway

I don't know about collusion but this is considered too much information... _biggrin:

+1. Reason for your absence doesn't seem relevant to the issue at hand. I now have to consider an important moral issue about the ethics of exploiting sitting out while simultaneously trying to delete an unpleasant mental image. :P


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It's clearly collusion, and if the poker site is serious about fair play they will punish the player who did that, possibly reallocating the prize money for that tournament.


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akrammon
Joined: 17.05.2009
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tommy: if it's done without discussion then it is not collision.

if it's done with open discussion in the chat then it is collision. I obviously don't know the policies of the poker room you play in, but in live poker this is an extremely serious thing and the consequences can go from a few minutes of ban to a permanent ban from the tournament (in WSOP as well, for example).


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zilltine
Joined: 20.03.2010
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Not sure if thats collusion. Imagine yourself in 3rd guy position, you play DoN, one guy sit outs, retard starts screaming in chat to raise sitouts bb, you raise sitouts bb because its best move you can make. Did you collude?


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akrammon
Joined: 17.05.2009
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Originally posted by zilltine
Not sure if thats collusion. Imagine yourself in 3rd guy position, you play DoN, one guy sit outs, retard starts screaming in chat to raise sitouts bb, you raise sitouts bb because its best move you can make. Did you collude?

Of course not. But the other guy.


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zilltine
Joined: 20.03.2010
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Originally posted by akrammon

Of course not. But the other guy.

But he can`t collude with himself? can he?


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akrammon
Joined: 17.05.2009
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Originally posted by zilltine

Originally posted by akrammon

Of course not. But the other guy.

But he can`t collude with himself? can he?

collusion might not be the word, you are right. In any case, it is considered a violation of rules in any live casino I've played at.


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gadget51
Joined: 23.06.2008
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I wouldn't be any sort of expert on this, but perhaps coercion rather than collusion maybe a better word?
I also think there is a level of silent implied collusion in these situations.
Just my opinion is all, I have no real basis to call it fact.

Regards,

Mal.


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tommygecko
Joined: 11.08.2012
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Actually, I didn't pursue this further. Lol. Don't think their support team keeps a chat history in their database and I didn't take a screenshot as well.

I agree from what some of you guys said that collusion must involve 2 or more people, but in my case it is only one person "attempting to collude" I guess. So perhaps it is violation of another rule but not necessarily collusion.


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akrammon
Joined: 17.05.2009
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Originally posted by tommygecko
Actually, I didn't pursue this further. Lol. Don't think their support team keeps a chat history in their database and I didn't take a screenshot as well.

I agree from what some of you guys said that collusion must involve 2 or more people, but in my case it is only one person "attempting to collude" I guess. So perhaps it is violation of another rule but not necessarily collusion.

Many Hand Histories have chat recorded.


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