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ATo BvB floating the flop and turning the hand into a bluff.

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noob3r
Joined: 20.11.2009

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $150(BB) Replayer
SB ($8,232)
Hero ($5,241)
UTG ($7,027)
UTG+1 ($8,360)
UTG+2 ($9,030)
MP1 ($13,046)
MP2 ($8,047)
CO ($10,931)
BTN ($8,656)

Dealt to Hero T♣ A♦

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $300, Hero calls $150

FLOP ($780) 3♦ 7♠ 3♠

SB bets $450, Hero calls $450

TURN ($1,680) 3♦ 7♠ 3♠ J♥

SB checks, Hero bets $611, SB calls $611

RIVER ($2,902) 3♦ 7♠ 3♠ J♥ Q♥

SB checks, Hero bets $1,521, SB folds

Hero wins $2,902

Hello,

Villain is 19/16 w/ 75(4) open from SB for 120 hands.

On the flop he seem very passive.

What you think about the flop? What do You think about his size of the cbet? I think wihout information that he is cbetting that big only when he has a value hand, and not his whole range, its ok to flat once and re-evaluate?

On the turn, to be honest, I didnt think that much about his range (:facepalm: ) and I thought he may be check/folding his air so I just bet to protect my equity in the hand, although if he is an average reg, he will most likely second barrel that card? Not sure tho what type of player he is.

At first, when I saw the hand, I didnt like my bet on the turn at all * I also think the sizeing is pretty small), but then if we think about it and put him on something like 7x/88/99/44-66, when he checks with intention to check/call I think its not that bad.

I think we may pretty much consider any T/A outs in that spot more often then not, and If we count a Q and a K as cards on which we can turn our hand into a bluff trying to get him off those mid pair type hands that means we have like 14 outs to do something on?

If he is a good reg, he might sometimes call the river with 7x, but, as I said, Im not sure what type of player he is.

Not sure if we can take more passive line vs weak player, and check/back the turn and then bet that river as a bluff (although we could have the best hand) if he checks? Not sure how often they give us credit that way. Havent tried it to be honest.


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AceSteph
Joined: 31.03.2010

Hey! I have only one question. What are your valuehands that you play exactly the same way you did here?

I mean of course, you can make him fold better hands if he's not thinking of your range, in which case this play is fine. But if I think of your range, it would be really hard for me to put you on a valuerange. Especially with these bet sizes.


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noob3r
Joined: 20.11.2009

Originally posted by AceSteph
Hey! I have only one question. What are your valuehands that you play exactly the same way you did here?

I mean of course, you can make him fold better hands if he's not thinking of your range, in which case this play is fine. But if I think of your range, it would be really hard for me to put you on a valuerange. Especially with these bet sizes.

Right.

Thats why I think the play sux if we are against an average/good reg.

My value range here would be mostly hands like KQ/QJ/QsTs/Qs9s/AJ(not sure if im playing it that way everytime). Also I may sometimes raise w/ two overs+FD which means my value range is pretty narrow.


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chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

Hi all,

I'm not sure even the average player folds enough in these BvB spots. I would just check back the turn (intention being to call the river against a fish, and fold vs a reg).

As played I like your river bet on this board: I think villain's range of pocketpairs and 7x views this as a scarecard often enough.


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