[Closed] 10$ 9 man sng - flush draw, top pair from bb

Hi aurs,

I would check/call on the flop with my flush draw. It is a paired board in the early stages of a sitngo which are both reasons why we shouldn't play our flushdraws aggressively. As played, on the turn, your check/raise seems ok. And with the effective second nuts on the river, I would also make the shove.

Dont like both your and his play, actually i would play it so differently i dont even know where to start.

First of all i wouldnt lead out for 1/2 pot on flop. Want to see where you stand? There is no point in betting to see where you stand. You have Q high, you know you have nothing (yet) so betting for information is useless and 1/2 potsize bet wont scare away anything so there is really no point in betting like this. Bet and see where you stand with hands like weak top pair or middle pair. With draw you already know where you stand. Either bet 3/4 pot to represent J or 8 or check. I would check as dont like being reraised and forced to throw my hand away when i have draw. Also by making this bet you made pot bigger, which means that if you dont hit on turn you would probably have to pay more to see river. And i wouldnt want that.

Why check on turn? Got scared of some straights? Bigger Q? Then why shove after potsized bet. I think your shove was bad move here as you are often behind. Higher Q, 8, straight, fullhouse, you would often see something from this. Why you think no way he has Q? Because he made potsized bet? because you have one of Q? because he called your flop bet? I dont get your reads here. Anyway i would of made semibluff and bet out and fold to raise or played check/call here. Since you led out on flop i would bet here.

And i would never call all in or shove here. Lets see at the situation. You are beat by any 8, almost any Q hand, T9. And this is so early in tournament that its really not worth the risk.

I think you both played badly, but your opponent was stupid and you got lucky. Dont know, maybe coaches that have more experience can tell you better but i would never play like that.

Originally posted by chenny8888
And with the effective second nuts on the river, I would also make the shove.

He showed it on the turn. With Q with 3 kicker and flushdraw. Dont think its worth the risk so early in toruney.

edit: Board paired so kicker 3 has no role here. Still not worth the risk imo

yea, I just noticed that.. My bad.

I'm aware we're effectively playing with a J/the board kicker on the turn ;).

But yes, your post is in general correct. After betting the turn, I don't think opponents have a Q very often though, and the only reasonable hand that calls us is T9. I prefer a check/call on the turn, but our shove is still called by straight- and flush- draws so I'm ok with the check/raise there.

But of course, the most important point is to not bet the flop ;).

Thanks for the replies, especially Grimzor for his harsh criticism (honestly).

I think it is ok to bet half the pot on the flop as I hate calling out of position plus he would have most certainly bet more than half if I had checked - half pot bet usually gets called by medium strength hands and raised by monsters. If he had reraised me, I probably would have folded without seeing the turn. After getting called on the flop, I can put him on a lower pocket pair, straight draw or maybe a low jack as he would have to reraise with top pair or trips in order to avoid the flush (it is quite reasonable to expect somenone to have one when there are four limpers).

Now I have to agree that the check -> shove turn was probably a weak play, i was thinking whether to fold and be left with 1.3k chips or shove (calling out of position with top pair looks weak again as I am left with 900 chips and uncertainity how to play the river card if it looks dangerous). I guess it seemed pretty odd that he bet the whole pot and I shoved and got stupidly called, this one helped.

All in all, that was quite an interesting hand I wanted to share. Again, I really appreciate constructive criticism.

great attitude to take aurs :).

about the flop: i find that at these lower limits opponents actually bet less. but the fact is, if you are bet/folding against his monster range, had you check/called and made your flush, these are the exact hands that you win double up against. if opponent truly does have a weak hand, betting the flop only to have to check and reevaluate the turn is obviously not great.

I'm afraid I have to admit this is quite difficult to grasp yet. Thank you chenny and Grimzor for interesting comments. Even though I can't really fully comprehend which way to play would have been the best in this situation, your alternative views surely helped to expand my general poker understanding. Cheers