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Zoom plo50 AKsJ5s 2pair on flop, flushing turn, bluffcatch w rivered straight

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Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $112.88 (225.8 bb)
SB: $56.08 (112.2 bb)
BB: $64.26 (128.5 bb)
UTG: $32.15 (64.3 bb)
Hero (MP): $95.82 (191.6 bb)
CO: $50 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J 5 K A
UTG folds, Hero raises to $1.75, CO calls $1.75, 3 folds

Flop: ($4.25) K J 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.80, CO calls $3.80

Turn: ($11.85) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $7.50, Hero calls $7.50

River: ($26.85) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $19, Hero calls $19

Results:

Spoiler

$64.85 pot ($2.50 rake)
Final Board: K J 2 4 3
Hero showed J 5 K A and won $62.35 ($30.30 net)
CO showed Q A A 9 and lost (-$32.05 net)

Villain unk.
In general, at this lmit, do you prefer to b/f the turn (esp. oop) to make life easier in this spot?

As played, 1. is our line going to lose us $ at higher stakes?
2. how much difference does the rivered str8 make? Is it fair to say that villain is never value betting worse than a flush here or might he do this with sets?
3. Since we have blockers to the sets, should we be inclined to see villains bets as more polarised or is this a step too far at plo50?

thanks - Please be brutal - I'm a plo noob :)


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Ribbo
Joined: 25.06.2010

I would have check/folded the turn.

When you bet this flop there isn't really a whole lot that can call you other than straight wraps and flush draws. Sets would have raised you and because your flop bet is so big even draws probably wont semi bluffraise here since it looks like you hit the flop.


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Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

Originally posted by Ribbo
I would have check/folded the turn.

When you bet this flop there isn't really a whole lot that can call you other than straight wraps and flush draws. Sets would have raised you and because your flop bet is so big even draws probably wont semi bluffraise here since it looks like you hit the flop.

Thanks. Given results, do you assume villain was bluffing with nfd blocker on turn+ river?


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Ribbo
Joined: 25.06.2010

It's really not profitable for anyone to be calling this flop with just a blocker to a nut flush draw. They really need something else to go with it (which they did with the overpair and gutshot straight draw).

I just don't see this being a bluff that often. The problem with calling the turn bet is that a river bet is pretty much always going to come afterwards leaving you with a horrible decision.


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Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

Originally posted by Ribbo
It's really not profitable for anyone to be calling this flop with just a blocker to a nut flush draw. They really need something else to go with it (which they did with the overpair and gutshot straight draw).

I just don't see this being a bluff that often. The problem with calling the turn bet is that a river bet is pretty much always going to come afterwards leaving you with a horrible decision.

Yeah, sorry. I'm not wanting to justify the line I took. I'm happy that check/f Turn is best. I just want your opinion on whether villain is in fact bluffing when he bets turn and river given what he showed up with? Or might he somehow think his overpair is the best hand and worth value betting?

In villains shoes would you bet turn or check behind?

Thanks


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Ribbo
Joined: 25.06.2010

Depends if I think you're going to call or fold whether I bluff a naked ace on the turn.

You can't really discuss matters like this without having some stats to be able to put someone on a range of hands. :f_frown:

As a general rule without a read I will always bluff a naked ace unless I have showdown value, which I could well have with AA in this spot...


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