KK vs 4bet deep

Hi.

I think postflop is std. Preflop u can either flat (i like this option in earlier positions) or min5b to 38bb and hope for some 6b spazz. And if u are 5b bluffing quite a bit u should widen ur range to include qq ak too.

I dont think the avg nl50guy plays so aggro though so he is probably more polarized here and is less likely to 6b ship his AXs. Both options could work though.

Originally posted by mbml
Hi.

I think postflop is std. Preflop u can either flat (i like this option in earlier positions) or min5b to 38bb and hope for some 6b spazz. And if u are 5b bluffing quite a bit u should widen ur range to include qq ak too.

I dont think the avg nl50guy plays so aggro though so he is probably more polarized here and is less likely to 6b ship his AXs. Both options could work though.

So you want to say, that if you 5bet min, you would call his shove for 210BB deep?
Can we really expect reggs to shove as bluff 210bb? Or to shove AK, QQ?

When I would call his 4bet with TT-QQ, does it make any difference from KK when I call the river?
I think his bet river is only AA if he is value betting, or air as he had, so I think it doesnt make much difference calling river with TT or KK. I think that he would pot control with QQ, KK.

"So you want to say, that if you 5bet min, you would call his shove for 210BB deep?
Can we really expect reggs to shove as bluff 210bb? Or to shove AK, QQ?"

He would, if you 5bet bluffed enough. Then he would widen his value 4bet range and 6bet range. Of course if you were always flatting KK AK QQ and only 5betting AA then he would be less likely to overplay these spots.

Does it make any difference? Definitely!
When you have KK, he is 84% less likely to have KK himself.

Why should he pot control KK if you are expected to 6bet AA?

Originally posted by mbml
"So you want to say, that if you 5bet min, you would call his shove for 210BB deep?
Can we really expect reggs to shove as bluff 210bb? Or to shove AK, QQ?"

He would, if you 5bet bluffed enough. Then he would widen his value 4bet range and 6bet range. Of course if you were always flatting KK AK QQ and only 5betting AA then he would be less likely to overplay these spots.

Does it make any difference? Definitely!
When you have KK, he is 84% less likely to have KK himself.

Why should he pot control KK if you are expected to 6bet AA?

I wouldnt 5bet AA, because I see that he 4bets a lot, and cant expect him to stack off QQ, AK and probably KK, so I would call also AA knowing that he is able to 3 barrel as bluff.
I wouldnt be much afraid of sets, because he would probably flat my 3bet with PP, suited cards, and hands like TT-QQ, probably AK, he is IP. So I would expect him to 4bet me with AA, or blockers as he had, which have very small equity vs my AA.
We didnt have dinamics before playing deep, so I assume he would play this way.

ok that's certainly fine then, but still kk is way too strong to fold here and kk is still way stronger than QQ.

You also assume that he thinks you flat AA here and would pot control KK. That is not really an assumption that you should be making without any reason.