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0,5/1 Q9s steal stiuation

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kavboj84
Joined: 16.06.2011

Full Tilt, $0.50/$1 Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
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Preflop: Hero is CO with Q 9
MP2 folds, Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls

Flop: (4.5 SB) 8 A 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls

Turn: (4.3 BB) 3 (2 players)
BB bets, Hero folds

Results:

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4.3 BB pot (0.2 BB rake)
Final Board: 8 A 7 3
BB mucked and won 4.1 BB (2.1 BB net)
Hero mucked Q 9 and lost (-2 BB net)

Hi,

Stats (VP/PF/3B/FST/ DBF/AF/WTSD/W$SD [handcount])

BB: 28/21/10,7/54/05/2/39/67 [326]

no special reads, standard looking TAG, IDK if he flats his range on the BB or not.

I called his x/r cause this can be a bluff or a 8 as well, tho he can hold an A or better as well here, and I didnt have a backdoor flushdraw, so if I dont fold this I may peel a bit too much, but in that moment it seemed ok.

The turn is also a question for me, obv I cant peel again for my outs but IDK if I could call for bluffcathing if the board was a bit different. When I take all the FD-s and OESD-s in a standard TAG range ( i.e. non flatted ) into account than it contains around 13% of them he'd maybe overbluffing a bit then, but it seems to be a realistic percentage.
I'd like to know how my calldown range should look like in a spot like this, should I showdown low PP-s or go for my outs and high card value rather ? I guess its better to have PP-s in it cause I dont have too many outs, but what if I had a backdoor flushdraw on the flop or the turn was a 6 or a T ?


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redskwerl
Joined: 04.03.2008

well if you call the flop with Q9, you fold no hands at all. Q9 nodraw is pretty much the worst hand you can have here. :)
having said that, i don't think it's necesseraly a huge problem if you never fold to a flop x/r on this board.

on the turn you must either bluff or fold, bluffcatching with Q hi would be an extreme exploitative adjustment


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Dawnfall26
Joined: 30.07.2008

Hi!

On this board I would indeed call a lot to flop raise...all pairs or better,Khigh,any gutshot,hand like this with BDFD but this one is like redskwerl said one of the worst in your range so I would muck it.


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kavboj84
Joined: 16.06.2011

Originally posted by redskwerl
well if you call the flop with Q9, you fold no hands at all. Q9 nodraw is pretty much the worst hand you can have here. :)

See thats what I thought in the first place, but after thinking better of it Im not so sure. Against his bluff range I have SD value anyway even with Q high ( I dont think he'd bluff K highs when the A is on the board), and I have also outs against the bottom of his value range. With small PP-s I dont really have outs and - rarely tho- they can be also counterfeited if the board gets paired. If I had a backdoor flush draw I would rather peel with this Q9 than with 55 or 44. What dou you think about this ?


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