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Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (BTN): $60.80 (121.6 bb)
SB: $50 (100 bb)
BB: $102.20 (204.4 bb)
UTG: $25 (50 bb)
MP: $32.42 (64.8 bb)
CO: $50 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 2 K Q A
UTG folds, MP raises to $1.25, CO folds, Hero calls $1.25, SB folds, BB raises to $5.25, MP calls $4, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($16) 3 7 2 (3 players)
BB checks, MP bets $10.50, Hero calls $10.50, BB raises to $57.28, MP calls $16.67 and is all-in, Hero calls $45.05 and is all-in

Turn: ($154.27) K (3 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($154.27) T (3 players, 2 are all-in)

Results:

Spoiler

$154.27 pot ($2.50 rake)
Final Board: 3 7 2 K T
Hero showed 2 K Q A and won $151.77 ($90.97 net)
BB showed J 9 T 8 and lost (-$60.80 net)
MP mucked T J A Q and lost (-$32.42 net)

Both players unk. at this point. Pre looks ok to me, though if we knew BB had only AA here, we could probably fold (?).

On the flop it's kind of ugly once BB ch/shoves AI. But I guess we're committed once MP bet/calls b/c we only need 29% and the nfd must give us at least that. Not sure if we can count our outs for trips at all (?).

Would you prefer shoving over MP's bet (instead of just flatting) since we might then force BB out?

thx


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Skodljivec
Joined: 17.12.2011

Hey.

First of all, i think this is a great hand to 3bet preflop. Very nutty.

As played, i think you played it the best way possible. You don't really want BB to fold, as you get much better odds with your NFD if it goes 3way AI.
Yo should also NEVER fold a pair + nfd in a 3bet pot... Just to much equity to do anything alse.

Also, if you see the pot is going to go 3way AI, it's almost always correct to get it in with a nfd, especially if you have a pair or gutter to go along with it, as you pretty much always have at least 33%.

EDIT: oh, and i wouldn't fold that hand to a 3bet probably even if i knew opponent has AAxx. Just to strong imo, even tough we have the A in our hand


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RuiBouquet
Joined: 21.03.2008

I totally agree with skod.

Just to clarify... If I was HU PF against a only-AA** pot 3bet from the BB, I would consider folding... But once you are MW and, more than that, you have relative position, I think it's an obvious call PF. If I was on MP and opened, the BTN called and BB 3betted, then I could consider folding (I would still call with this hand but would fold if it was ss).


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Ribbo
Joined: 25.06.2010

I think you played it fine. Ideally you want to shove the flop 3 ways rather than heads up which is why I like the call, to encourage other players in to the pot as well. Now it should be pointed out that you can be favourite heads up here as well as multiway, but by keeping it multiway you are guaranteeing yourself having the correct odds to shove.

BB was such an aggro fish in that hand. :f_biggrin:

Preflop, it's a good hand to 3 bet against loose opponents, however it's also good to call with because you're in position and getting a 3 or 4 way pot with a nutty hand like yours is excellent. In a loose game I would definitely call on the button as well, but in a tighter game I prefer 3 betting preflop.


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

I really had to looks opponents hands three times! They both had just backdoor draws, so that BB raise after hero's commiting call is umm... interesting.


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RuiBouquet
Joined: 21.03.2008

Originally posted by Ribbo
In a loose game I would definitely call on the button as well, but in a tighter game I prefer 3 betting preflop.

You are referring to pos-flop looseness/tightness, right?

Thanks for this concepts... I learn a lot with you... New things everyday =)


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Aronyau
Joined: 09.07.2012

I think he is talking about the blinds preflop tendencies which should affect our decision as well.
When there are loose fishy blinds you want them in the pot with your nutty hands (like this one) and if they are tight reggish you rather want to 3bet to have them out of the hand.


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Ribbo
Joined: 25.06.2010

Yes, in a tight game, you're looking to get value from the player already in the pot (because you have position on him and are likely ahead of his range). In a loose game you're looking to get value from the players still to put money in the pot and also to take advantage of your position post flop. You want to keep the SPR high for the moment and you really don't want someone 4 betting, even lightly, because it's still going to be a flip most of the time when they do.

Much better to outplay people post flop using your position to do that.


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