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JJ77ds, 3b pot, rigged flop

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Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $322.19 (644.4 bb)
SB: $47.81 (95.6 bb)
BB: $60.09 (120.2 bb)
UTG: $24.53 (49.1 bb)
Hero (MP): $71.19 (142.4 bb)
CO: $85.87 (171.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J 7 7 J
UTG folds, Hero raises to $1.75, 2 folds, SB calls $1.50, BB raises to $5.50, Hero calls $3.75, SB calls $3.75

Flop: ($16.50) 7 K A (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $15.76, Hero calls $15.76, SB folds

Turn: ($48.02) T (2 players)
BB bets $38.83, Hero folds

Results:

Spoiler

$48.02 pot ($2.16 rake)
Final Board: 7 K A T
BB mucked and won $45.86 ($24.60 net)
Hero mucked J 7 7 J and lost (-$21.26 net)

SB 9 hands: 44/11
BB 10 hands: 20/10.

Should I just fold pre to the 3b. Feels like the kind of hand where i get in trouble too often b/c neither of my flushes are nutty, or am i being results orientated?

Flop is kind of ugly; 3rd set and 2nd nut flushdraw. Honestly no idea what to do here. If I shove and villain calls off with the hand he's repping I get it in with 35% i guess which is lousy. I called to keep in SB. (I guess if SB shoves and BB calls off then we can call reasonably happily?)

Turn seems like a card on which we can comfortably fold whatever else we do.


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Ribbo
Joined: 25.06.2010

Flop is "raise or fold". If you think you're ahead here (against hands like AKQx) then go ahead and shove. If you're certain villain is only doing this from the blinds with AA or KK then fold. Calling the flop bet I am not a huge fan of because there really isn't anything SB can call with that is good for you.

As you pointed out though, even if villain shows up with a bigger set you still have a good chunk of outs so it's not the worst thing to shove against someone with a slightly wider 3 betting range.


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Skodljivec
Joined: 17.12.2011

Originally posted by Tim64

Should I just fold pre to the 3b. Feels like the kind of hand where i get in trouble too often b/c neither of my flushes are nutty, or am i being results orientated?

Don't even think about folding such a strong hand preflop to a 3bet... You will hit a set 25% of the time, so it's worth a call from that alone.

In 3b pots, people stackoff much more lightly, so when you hit your set you are often payed off, so it's of great + EV to call with these hands


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Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

Thanks guys. Given the info we have, do you lean towards shoving or folding this flop?


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Ribbo
Joined: 25.06.2010

If I just had 77, I might well fold in this spot, but with the flush draw as well we're not drawing dead if we do stack off, so I would shove more often than not unless I had some read that villain ONLY 3 bets AA and KK.


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