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NL16SH 4betpot with AA

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DaPhunk
Joined: 01.03.2008

Poker Stars $16.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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BTN: $55.03
SB: $20.30
BB: $111.29
UTG: $18.48
Hero (MP): $17.31
CO: $21.65

Pre Flop: ($0.24) Hero is MP with A :club: A :diamond:
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.48, CO calls $0.48, BTN raises to $2.08, 1 fold, BB calls $1.92, Hero raises to $4.64, 2 folds, BB calls $2.56

Flop: ($11.92) Q :heart: K :spade: 5 :spade: (2 players)
BB bets $6.88

BU is 38/27 on 380 hands, 12% overall 3bet, higher on BTN.

BB is 49/22 on 800 hands.

Neither seem to fold to 4bets very much.

Anyway, what do you think a sensible donkbet flop range might be, and what do you think this villains donkbet range would be?

What range should we continue with?


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

hi

I Think he has some straight draws, some flush draws, some QX and some KX. You should try coming up with some pokerstove range, and I'll review your assumptions.

Pot odds: 12.70/35 = ~36%


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DaPhunk
Joined: 01.03.2008

I find it hard to give fish ranges sometimes as I'm rather tight myself. I can't imagine anyone calling looser vs the initial 3bet than the following range:

88+, A9s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, AJo+, KQo

To a fish that range probably looks too pretty to fold to the 4bet after he's already put money in, so maybe he only folds a few of the hands at the bottom end of that range and continues to the flop with this range:

TT+, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, AJo+, KQo

Flop Donkbet Range: I just randomly removed hands - AA, QQ, AQs+, KTs, QTs, AKo, KQo

Note: I really have no idea how close I am or not to being correct on this


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

ok.

I do think he is going to have most suited broadways here at the very least. So he is going to a decent amount of flush draw and straight draw combos such as JTs and AT.

The times he has KQ/QQ/KK will be way fewer than the times he has weaker hands. What's at the bottom of my range here? That's effectively an all-in push. Clearly we aren't folding AK, and I don't think you should have worse hands in your 4b range such as AQ?


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CPallo
Joined: 12.04.2012

I think your villain has suited and non-suited broadways, pairs from 66+ at least, even plenty of Ax and even suited, so his range is quite wide for calling that 3-bet.

On flop he could be donking air, slowplayed KK/QQ, KQ, Kx, Qx, Ax with or without flush-draw.. His range is rather wide here all in all


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DaPhunk
Joined: 01.03.2008

Hmm, not sure If I can see myself 4betting AQ here specially if its offsuit, but I might be able to see myself 4betting a hand like TT or maybe even 99 as those hands feel to me like they can't do thaaaat badly as a preflop all-in but will have super bad postflop potential on a large number of boards especially 3-way. (pre-flop comment is loosely based on people going a bit bonkers with AK/AQ and preferring to slow down with overpairs such as JJ and QQ)

So perhaps my 4bet range could go as wide as 99+ AK and probably not AQs. Don't think I see myself turning any uncallable hands with blockers into bluffs here.


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

ok i think you can just fold everything worse than QX. If you have QJ it's tough but calling is probably fine.


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