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30$ 6-max AQo 4way pot.

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Joined: 16.11.2009

MP is fish reg with (MP raise 1st 19%) and fold to 3bet 57.
CO and BB is fishes.
CO 55/11 over 38hands
BB 41/18 68hands

Preflop : This was 1st hand of tournament and i didn't know what min3bet means so should i flat min3bet and play multiway pot with AQo what dont play so well in multiway pot or 4betting and trying to play only against CO ?
FLOP : i went for x/call because i dont want to build pot oop with nut fd+ 2overs in 4way pot.
TURN : x/call because we dont wanna go broke here.
River : River is blank and alot of draws missed easy x/call.

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NL Holdem $20(BB) Replayer
Hero ($1,500)
BB ($1,500)
UTG ($1,500)
UTG+1 ($1,500)
CO ($1,500)
BTN ($1,500)

Dealt to Hero Q♥ A♣

fold, UTG+1 raises to $40, CO raises to $60, fold, Hero calls $50, BB calls $40, UTG+1 calls $20

FLOP ($240) 5♣ 2♣ J♣

Hero checks, BB bets $80, UTG+1 folds, CO folds, Hero calls $80

TURN ($400) 5♣ 2♣ J♣ Q♠

Hero checks, BB bets $80, Hero calls $80

RIVER ($560) 5♣ 2♣ J♣ Q♠ 2♥

Hero checks, BB checks


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wiarygodny
Joined: 16.07.2009

pre - i like the flat, 4betting AQo oop would be an overplay imo without strong reads, especially that they may flat often and youre in an awkward spot on the flop if you miss, too deep to cbet shove but shallow enough that cbet/folding is gonna be costly.

flop - i would raise/get it in, especially after seeing the reg and the possibly strong CO folded their hands.

turn as played - why dont you want to go broke? i would take over the initiative and bet/call, followed by the same on the river. Otherwise i would be worried we're not gonna get max value form a seemingly passive fish.

as played checked turn - raise him, especially when he bets so tiny.

river as played - lead into him :) plenty of worse calling (that he may check back with). + i wouldnt expect him to bluff his missed draws often anyway. And even if he does its gonna be a small bet again prolly which leaves you with a hard decision - do you just call and not maximise your value by doing so? do you r/c or r/f (not the easiest decision imo)?


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I like the way you played the hand.

pre- maybe it was a misclick? just flat call, see a flop.
flop- easy c/c for NFD.
turn - just c/c, your hand is still not strong enough to c/r in a 3bet pot.
river - c/c

wp


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wiarygodny
Joined: 16.07.2009

Originally posted by lessthanthreee
I like the way you played the hand.

pre- maybe it was a misclick? just flat call, see a flop.
flop- easy c/c for NFD.
turn - just c/c, your hand is still not strong enough to c/r in a 3bet pot.
river - c/c

wp

i assume if you dont want to go broke on the flop while holding the nutFD, two overs + a fraction of an out for the BD wheel it's because you 'fear' BB has JJ+ or a flopped flush as a big part of his range. do i understand correctly?

do you really think that a random guy (since it was the first hand of the tournament let's assume we don't know his stats since they're not displayed yet) would be so tight when overcalling BB after a minraise and a min3bet at the first level 75bb deep + would be so tight leading so small on this flop? I would be scared much more by the min3bettor but he's already out of the hand when the action gets to us, same as the minraising reg. Am i not giving the BB unknown enough credit?


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c/r would be fine also. but I sort of WANT the fish BB to continue with these small bets because I want him in the pot with his clubs when the club hits (dont want to scare him off Qc/Tc with a c/r) . with a c/r I would also need to barrel turn and rivers when I miss, and I generally don't like huge barrels vs fish cause they don't fold often enough. I like to try play ABC vs them and play big pots when I have it, small pots when I dont. (NFD + 2 overs here is starting to push into 'i have it' so c/r is fine ofc).


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kevvu
Joined: 11.05.2008

Villain turn bet is quite small, IMO it doesnt seem strong. So shouldnt we check raise on turn small or donk the river (last one i like the most, cause with turn check raise we can put ourselves into tricky spot)?
kevvu


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