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[Closed] Fl Fr 0,5/1$ Kk

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jini
Joined: 06.11.2007

Hi all!

Known players:
[tg]Position_Stack:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;SB$18,25:738/16 /13 /2,9/33 /39 /100 /56 ;BB$29,65:531/25 /6 /1,3/36 /8 /43 /55 ;UTG+1$27,75:65/29 /12 /2,8/44 /50 /100 /57 ;MP3$6,85:38/63 /3 /0,6/38 /0 /-/22 ;Hero$22,90:///////;[/tg]
0,5/1 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (10 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.60 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is CO with K♣, K♠
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, MP3 calls, Hero raises, BU folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (10,00 SB) 2♥, 2♣, Q♣ (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets, MP3 calls, Hero raises, SB calls, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (9,00 BB) 6♣ (4 players)
SB bets, UTG+1 raises, MP3 calls, Hero calls, SB 3-bets, UTG+1 caps, MP3 calls, Hero calls, SB calls.

River: (25,00 BB) 6♥ (4 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 bets, MP3 raises (All-In), Hero folds, SB calls.

Final Pot: 27,85 BB

can i fold this on the turn?


6 replies
Yoghi
Joined: 10.09.2007

I think you can make a tough fold yes. You have 4 outs, but it's likely that the turn will be capped so you will never get the implied odds.


jini
Joined: 06.11.2007

THX Yoghi!


frzl
Joined: 25.04.2006

hi jini
i marked this hand for cirith because i´m really interested in his oppinion... especially in the outs counting on the turn.
flop raise is good btw :). cap if somebody 3-bets


Hi jini,

I like the hand as played. You have 2 K, 2 2 outs and a few flushouts as well. I doubt that you will face the nutflush here on the turn that often. It won't get capped that often also as the flush has to fear a fullhouse.


Yoghi
Joined: 10.09.2007

But you have reverse implied odds on the flush? If you hit your flush and somebody else has the A:c youre gonna lose quite a lot, if you hit your flush and somebody has a FH youre gonna lose quite a lot aswell. If you hit your flush and you have the best hand you wont win a lot.


Hmm that's true as well (I wonder why you haven't mentioned it in first place ;)) but how often do you have more than 1 or 2 resverse implied odds?
If you discount your flush to x outs or if you count with 9 outs and subtract the reverse implied odds is the same.
You need just 2-3 outs for the flushdraw and that is not much. If you count with 12 outs you need 3:1 potodds and you get 7:1 so if you have less than 4 reverse implied odds (which is given if they alawys cap the river in which case folding is possible as well) you can call in my opinion.