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QTo BB 3-bets.

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ListenAces
Joined: 12.03.2013

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Pre Flop: (1.4 SB) Hero is CO with T :spade: Q :club:
6 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB 3-bets, Hero calls

Flop: (6.4 SB) 7 :diamond: 8 :club: J :diamond: (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls

Turn: (4.2 BB) 6 :heart: (2 players)
BB bets, Hero folds

So yeah I was 3-bet when making a stab for the blinds.
Should I have folded preflop?
Are there some rule of thumb on what hands to give up against 3-bet?


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None. the preflop raise was good. you should never fold a hand to a 3bet if you are the PFR


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ListenAces
Joined: 12.03.2013

Thx, I've been bothered lately with what to go when I raise like that. _biggrin:


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cjheigl
Joined: 09.04.2006

You should never fold preflop when you face a single reraise. If it was capped and you had to call 2 bets, then you can think about folding. But never for one more bet.

The hand might not be over on the turn. Your outs for a pair might be good. Equilab says this about your chances:

Board: 7♦8♣J♦ 6♥
       Equity     Win     Tie
CO     14.68%  14.68%   0.00% { QcTs }
BB     85.32%  85.32%   0.00% { 77+, A9s+, ATo+ }

As you never should have the best hand in this situation, your winning chances all come from outs. 14,7% * 46 is the number of outs you have. That's 6,7 outs, not that bad. You'll need pot odds of 6,5:1 to call that. Unfortunately, you only get 5,2:1 pot odds. But if you hit the straight you will get at least another bet from strong hands, so you have implied odds. That's still not quite 6,5:1 but it is close.

Next thing to look is, can the opponent fold some hands if you raise? You have some equity and the pot isn't small, so the opponent doen't need to fold many hands for this move to be profitable. In fact the move is profitable if the opponent folds as little as 10% of his hands.

The range of the opponent falls into 3 categories: pairs, overcard with gutshot, 2 overcards. It is difficult for these hands to fold. The weakest pair would be 99 which also does have an open ended straight draw. TT has a gutshot and any other pair is top pair or better. I also think he wouldn't fold a gutshot with a overcard. At least not on the turn. After a raise the opponent has 7.2:1 pot odds for a call with implied odds for his gutshot. That's difficult to fold.

Two overcards like AK or AQ are not as strong a draw. Those are 28 card combinations of which 2 are also flush draws. If the opponent folds anything it has to be one of these.

28-2 = 26 candidates that can fold are close to 30% of the opponents range. That's potentially enough but without reads we do not know if the opponent might fold them. One motivation for a call could be that those hands are still ahead against your good draws, like Q9 or K9.

In the end we would like to have a read if the opponet can fold these type of hands. That includes the read if he would bet them at all on the turn. If you have a read like that the opponent reacts weakly to aggression, then a raise should be considered strongly.

Otherwise a fold is in order. But it is close.


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ListenAces
Joined: 12.03.2013

Okay thx.
Lots of extra stuff to pay attention to that I really don't have covered as of now.
I've only watched the range vids yesterday so it is all a bit new.

I should add reads I guess, but that requires me to search my note file.
Will try to do it next time and we will see how that goes.


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