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How to play set on monotone board?

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Oly0909
Joined: 08.06.2008

Hi guys,

I flopped a few sets lately and it often was on monotone board and I figgured out I don't now what is the best way to play it. Am I too aggressive or should I be more aggressive? Here are last 3 hands so I would really like you to say what you think about it, how would you play it and way.

Hand no. 1:
IPoker, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BB: $11.51 (115.1 bb)
UTG: $14.95 (149.5 bb)
MP: $16.67 (166.7 bb)
CO: $12.67 (126.7 bb)
BTN: $10 (100 bb)
Hero (SB): $10.02 (100.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 5 5
UTG folds, MP raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.90) 8 5 7 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $0.63, MP calls $0.63, Hero raises to $3.42, BB raises to $8.25, MP raises to $14.20, Hero calls $6.30 and is all-in, BB calls $2.96

Turn: ($33.04) T (3 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($33.04) 6 (3 players, 1 is all-in)

Results:

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$33.04 pot ($2 rake)
Final Board: 8 5 7 T 6
BB showed T K and won $31.04 ($19.53 net)
MP showed 7 7 and lost (-$11.51 net)
Hero mucked 5 5 and lost (-$10.02 net)

Hand no. 2:
IPoker, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BB: $10.05 (100.5 bb)
UTG: $21.86 (218.6 bb)
MP: $4 (40 bb)
Hero (CO): $28.09 (280.9 bb)
BTN: $17.14 (171.4 bb)
SB: $10.05 (100.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 3 3
UTG raises to $0.30, MP folds, Hero calls $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, SB calls $0.25, BB folds

Flop: ($1.30) 3 J 7 (4 players)
SB bets $1.30, UTG calls $1.30, Hero raises to $4.55, BTN folds, SB calls $3.25, UTG folds

Turn: ($11.70) 7 (2 players)
SB bets $5.20 and is all-in, Hero calls $5.20

River: ($22.10) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results:

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$22.10 pot ($1.47 rake)
Final Board: 3 J 7 7 5
Hero mucked 3 3 and won $20.63 ($10.58 net)
SB showed J K and lost (-$10.05 net)

Hand no. 3:
IPoker, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BB: $10 (100 bb)
UTG: $4 (40 bb)
MP: $10 (100 bb)
Hero (CO): $17.16 (171.6 bb)
BTN: $9.85 (98.5 bb)
SB: $17.98 (179.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 4 4
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, SB calls $0.25, BB folds

Flop: ($1) 6 A 4 (3 players)
SB bets $1, Hero raises to $4, BTN folds, SB calls $3

Turn: ($9) Q (2 players)
SB bets $6.75, Hero calls $6.75

River: ($22.50) 9 (2 players)
SB bets $6.93 and is all-in, Hero folds

Results:

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$22.50 pot ($1.50 rake)
Final Board: 6 A 4 Q 9
Hero mucked 4 4 and lost (-$11.05 net)
SB mucked and won $21 ($9.95 net)


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Rihard4a
Joined: 08.09.2010

Play them straight forward.

last hand..

What was the point calling turn if you fold river? if you call turn, call river. Especially when you have so nice odds on the river to justify the call.


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Oly0909
Joined: 08.06.2008

A little misscalculation, I thought I have implied odds to draw to FH. It is very close, if we had $1 more in our stacks it would be OK to call + I believe he could sometimes have AK with K :club: and check river.

Also, I'm sorry but your answer "Play them straight forward" doesn't help me much, as I was asking how to play them? What is "straight forward" in these spots?


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maritsula
Joined: 19.12.2011

Originally posted by Oly0909
A little misscalculation, I thought I have implied odds to draw to FH. It is very close, if we had $1 more in our stacks it would be OK to call + I believe he could sometimes have AK with K :club: and check river.

Also, I'm sorry but your answer "Play them straight forward" doesn't help me much, as I was asking how to play them? What is "straight forward" in these spots?

when its a bet + call in front of you then you cant really slowplay them. Its an easy raise/call.


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UPAY4DINNER
Joined: 28.09.2009

Moving this to our No Limit Board guys :)


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muel294
Joined: 06.06.2009

my two cents:

I'm only gonna take example no1 to illustrate my point that I think bet/broke or raise/broke are the ways to go in these spots (with bet broke being better OOP w/o initiative IMO to avoid checks behind on scary boards).

I think the following ranges would be reasonable if you took either line:

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Board: 8♥5♥7♥
       Equity     Win     Tie
MP3    26.10%  25.37%   0.73% { 99+, 8d8s, 8d8c, 8s8c, 7d7s, 7d7c, 7s7c, AhKh, AhQh, KhQh, AhJh, KhJh, QhJh, AhTh, KhTh, QhTh, JhTh, Ah9h, Kh9h, Qh9h, Jh9h, Th9h, Ad8d, As8s, Ac8c, 9d8d, 9s8s, 9c8c, 8d7d, 8s7s, 8c7c, 7d6d, 7s6s, 7c6c, AhKd, AhKs, AhKc, AhQd, AhQs, AhQc, AhJd, AhJs, AhJc, AhTd, AhTs, AhTc }
SB     42.08%  41.46%   0.62% { 5d5s }
BB     31.82%  31.09%   0.73% { JJ-99, 8d8s, 8d8c, 8s8c, 7d7s, 7d7c, 7s7c, J9s, T9s, AhQh, KhQh, AhJh, KhJh, QhJh, AhTh, KhTh, QhTh, JhTh, Ah9h, Kh9h, Qh9h, 9d8d, 9s8s, 9c8c, 8d7d, 8s7s, 8c7c, 7d6d, 7s6s, 7c6c, 6c5c, Ah4h, Ah3h, Ah2h, AhQd, AhQs, AhQc, AhJd, AhJs, AhJc, AhTd, AhTs, AhTc, Ah9d, Ah9s, Ah9c, Ad8h, Ah8d, Ah8s, Ah8c, As8h, Ac8h, Ah7d, Ah7s, Ah7c }

With these ranges in mind and the fact that we have an additional ten outs if we are being against made flushes I think we are still okay to get it in.


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Oly0909
Joined: 08.06.2008

Sorry guys, I just saw I posted same hand twice. I've changed now in 1st post, hand no. 2.

About the play.. I'm not even thinking on slowplay, I'm warried is going all the way OK? Like in hand no 1 vs 2 opp I have weakest hand, drawing to 1 out. Hand no 3 I folded it on river, I don't believe worse hand would play like that. You think I should've shipped it on turn?


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You can also play sets like this... :(

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $51.62 (103.2 bb)
SB: $264.83 (529.7 bb)
BB: $58.99 (118 bb)
UTG+1: $32.24 (64.5 bb)
UTG+2: $96.67 (193.3 bb)
MP1: $25.44 (50.9 bb)
Hero (MP2): $50 (100 bb)
MP3: $136.73 (273.5 bb)
CO: $66.24 (132.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 4 4
3 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, MP3 folds, CO calls $1.50, 3 folds

Flop: ($3.75) 8 4 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.75, CO raises to $6, Hero folds

Villain is an uber-nit and I think that any aggressive action from my side would be transforming my hand into a bluff. So I folded.


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Oly0909
Joined: 08.06.2008

Hi circoflax,

you need to have very, very, very... strong read to do that, but OK, if you believe he would never raise worse then OK.

Anyway, my question was playing set on monotone board vs unknown opponent/s. So, what would be standard play in that situation?


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

you can call and play passively. Who says you must always raise?


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35% equity to fill a full house even if your opponent is lucky enough to flop a flush and if he is and you don't hit, I think you just need to pay him off. IMO
So I don't think ytou need to play them differently really.


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badgerer
Joined: 29.03.2010

im of the opinion that going broke is almost always the best option. a set is probably both the best hand and the best draw so i just get it in and fist pump.


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