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QQ shove river?

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mlatasrb
Joined: 01.04.2012

partypoker - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 98.38 BB (VPIP: 20.07, PFR: 14.79, 3Bet Preflop: 4.96, Hands: 290)
SB: 51.98 BB (VPIP: 54.84, PFR: 38.71, 3Bet Preflop: 23.53, Hands: 32)
Hero (BB): 335.38 BB
UTG: 252.12 BB (VPIP: 21.20, PFR: 14.72, 3Bet Preflop: 6.60, Hands: 5,810)
MP: 218.8 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 13.89, 3Bet Preflop: 4.88, Hands: 110)
CO: 98 BB (VPIP: 35.14, PFR: 10.81, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 39)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q♦ Q♠

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, MP calls 7 BB

Flop: (20.5 BB, 2 players) A♠ J♠ 4♠
Hero checks, MP checks

Turn: (20.5 BB, 2 players) J♦
Hero bets 9.74 BB, MP raises to 32 BB, Hero calls 22.26 BB

River: (84.5 BB, 2 players) Q♣
Hero checks, MP bets 54 BB, Hero raises to 293.38 BB and is all-in, fold

Spoiler

Hero wins 186.5 BB

was not sure If i have value on river? AJ, JJ, AA, AQ better (14 combos), and worse are 44, KJs, QJs, JTs and some flushes, so it looks very thin?


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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

you beat AJ and AQ (right? :f_eek: ), some AA should be discounted, JJ is 1 combo. looks good to me :f_biggrin:


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jules97
Joined: 10.06.2012

Doesn't look like much value on the river to me.
I think after he calls a 3bet preflop and checks behind on the flop you can discount most of AA, AJ, JJ.

His turn raise looks like KJs,QJs,TJs. Maybe KsTs broadways that slowplayed the flop.

4 combos KJs,TJs
1 combo KTs

1 combos QJs

I'd make a river raise that the Jx and Kspade hands would think about calling. To about 100-110bb or something.

I think even the 1 combo of QhJh is probably folding to that 300bb shove.


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mlatasrb
Joined: 01.04.2012

Originally posted by jules97
Doesn't look like much value on the river to me.

hahah, I tricked myself and jules97. Somehow I thougth that the board is AA4JQ


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w34z3l
Joined: 03.08.2009

Hey Mlatasrb,

Preflop fine while deep.

Flop check is fine.

Turn lead is ok. Call vs raise is ok, but it's a borderline situation.

I think we have thin value on river - would just x/min-raise though.


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mlatasrb
Joined: 01.04.2012

How can it be thin value on river, I just lose vs slowplayed AA and JJ? He can have all worse Jx, 44, maybe flushes, KTs


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w34z3l
Joined: 03.08.2009

Originally posted by mlatasrb
How can it be thin value on river, I just lose vs slowplayed AA and JJ? He can have all worse Jx, 44, maybe flushes, KTs

Firstly this was your question. I guess you were talking about donk-betting the river but you did not specify.

Secondly not really talking about thin in the sense that we might be beat, just thin in the sense that I don't know if we are getting paid that often so smaller sizing works.


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