warm up 88

Hi,

Direct shove is likely better. I would not expect BU to fold better hands, but there are 90k in the pot and you´re risking 300k to win this.
Also your fold equity is quite big and some players would fold 99/TT/AQ against cold 4-bet shoves

As played: imo pot committed call. BU is likely always shoving AK, he might easily shove AQ and he may fold 99

If you add that range his shoving range you should get correct pot odds:
Hand Equity Wins Ties
AQ, AK, TT-AA 62.66% 397,880,364 2,473,356
88 37.34% 236,623,368 2,473,356

Hi all,

Originally posted by Kaitz20
Hi,

Direct shove is likely better. I would not expect BU to fold better hands, but there are 90k in the pot and you´re risking 300k to win this.
Also your fold equity is quite big and some players would fold 99/TT/AQ against cold 4-bet shoves

As played: imo pot committed call. BU is likely always shoving AK, he might easily shove AQ and he may fold 99

If you add that range his shoving range you should get correct pot odds:
Hand Equity Wins Ties
AQ, AK, TT-AA 62.66% 397,880,364 2,473,356
88 37.34% 236,623,368 2,473,356

This. I don't necessarily think in today's games that this sizing makes you look stronger or weaker than a direct shove either.

No one is for just folding pre? No one is for folding after we 3 bet?

And guyd what r u thinking about my reasoning to 4 bet call vs bt/ fold vs mp/fold if both get it in-> isnt that better less variance play or is just better to keep is simple and shove?

Hi,

It is very hard to win tournament if you don´t win flips or make some suckouts. If you feel that both or one player generally has there much tighter range than 88, then I would just fold pre-flop. Only reason to put in close to 3rd of my stack to then fold is when both MP1 and BU are shoving and even then both of them can have AK.

So yes, direct shove is better to have maximum fold equity. If I was MP1 spot I would fold 99, AQ and sometimes TT

best regards,

Hi all,

Just shove is still best, like you said it's possible they both get it in and your equity still pretty good. It's not like anyone folds AK, so chances are your equity doesn't change much vs 1 player than vs 2 (vs 1 player's 99+ AQ+ and vs 2nd player's QQ+ AK).