[Closed] Nl10 88

fold pref 88 in mid, raise them from CO and further

just fold pf

mp2 is too early to raise your eights, if you had a bigger sample size i would isolate a guy with 50 vpip and tight people left to act.

as played, you have a overpair, overpair=nuts on SSS so push

Originally posted by Puciek
fold pref 88 in mid, raise them from CO and further

#1

its definately -EV in the long time playing them from early/mid position. DON'T DO IT ♦

You know the theory - had been told by other users ;). Flop push is normal, raising 88 isn't such a big sin from mp2 from time to time...

Thank you 098799.
I have noticed that on lower limits, if you find a very weak table you can increase some of your marginal hands. They will often only call you preflop anyway, even with AK or QQ. If I am at such a table (and I dont look for these tables, I only adjust play if I notice) some simple adjustments are:
Play AQ from UTG (AQs even better)
Play 88 like 99
Play TT from UTG
Play AT like AJ
Complete SB with KJs or QJs or any PP (2 limpers minimum, 3+ preffered)
5 limpers = complete SB with any hand a BSS would
And sometimes (very rare) on real limpy tables you can get away with calling any PP from any position for set value. If I hit I bet potsize flop and push the turn. Calling stations love to get to the river, but they wont call you there unless they have a medium to large hand, ie, they made thier 4 outer etc... so I always push my set on the turn on NL10, regardless of position/stack etc.
Again though, I do not do these kind of plays just anytime, the table has to "feel" right, and I mostly ask myself "are they really donks, or do I just think they are?"

Doing this:
my 22 are -6BB
my 33 are -7 BB and +16.5 BB
my 44 are -23 BB
my 55 are -4 BB and +18 BB
my 66 are + 68.5 BB

totals for limpy PPs -40BB +103BB
net +63BB
Keep in mind this is a very small sample size on small limits
Here is why the 44 are so negative....

Known players:
[tg]Position_Stack:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;Hero$1.80:///////;MP1$7.25:08/50 /13 /0.0/25 /0 /-/100 ;MP3$3.40:06/33 /0 /-/0 /-/-/-;BU$10.00:79/13 /4 /0.6/25 /0 /-/0 ;[/tg]
0.05/0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.60 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4♣, 4♠
UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.20, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $0.20, CO folds, BU calls $0.20, SB folds, Hero calls $0.10.

Flop: ($0.85) T♠, 8♥, 4♥ (4 players)
Hero bets $0.60, MP1 calls $0.60, 2 folds.

Turn: ($2.05) 5♥ (2 players)
Hero bets $1.00 (All-In), MP1 calls $1.00.

River: ($4.05) J♠

Final Pot: $4.05

Results follow (highlight to see):
Hero shows three of a kind, fours (4c 4s)
MP1 shows three of a kind, tens (Tc Td)

MP1 wins with three of a kind, tens (Tc Td)

I was getting correct odds to call preflop, and I was last to act as well.

About your adjustments: I never limp preflop while shortstacking on NL10. Just never. I may raise a little bit more freely, but am willing to fold if face big reraise. But that's all. Try to wait for adjustments until you'll be playing on higher limits, that way you can also read our silver and gold articles about short stack play.

About limping with pocket pairs: there's a rule of thumb that says you should do it only if you can call preflop tha amount of at most 1/20th of your effective stack. In the hand you posted you violated (a little, but I like being on the safe side) this rule, so it was marginal. On the flop nice hand of course.

So read some bss articles, they have some info on limping for set value and call20 rule.

Thanks for the advice.
I will take suited-connectors off the list
From what you say I get the idea of call20 rule, but will read up on it as well.
I will also read BSS articles. I have a little ways to go before my BR supports BSS beyond NL2 ♦
I get what you say about loosening up a little, but fold out to aggression. Not all my 66 hands were limps either, a few of them I played as 77 late pos and raised standard, c-bet vs 1 etc