question on the 4 push and robounds charts

02.10.2008, 23:10 0

Hi Guys,
I have been playing the other night an MTT - I had 16k chips blinds were 1k-2k ie i had 8 blinds.
I was UTG with KJs and immieately shoved allin.
I must say that until then I had a pretty tight image and the table was also very tight.
Ofcourse the big blind called with QQs and bum - end of game..

Well that's fine no problem for me but I still have a big question here:
The chart sais that if I have less than 8 blinds AND all the other players on table (we were 7 at the time) also have less than 8 , I should shove it with KJs, BUT of course that there will be 1/2 opponenets with more than 8 blinds.
So should I just fold the hand ?
Seems unreasonable and there are more examples like a real awkward 1, say I have JJs and 12 blinds, being at UTG should I not shove it if there are players behind me with more than 12 blinds ? AAs - ofcourse I should..

I am sure missing here something - your answers would be truly appriciated.

J

I am quoting the article, I bold the relevant quote:
...."Now you find numbers from 4 to 13. As you could have guessed already, these numbers tell you how many big blinds you must have to go all-in with your hand in this position. If there is a 5, for instance, you will have to go all-in if you or every opponent behind you has 5 or less big blinds. Otherwise (e.g. an opponent behind you has 6 big blinds left) you must fold. "....

3 replies

Sai7

Joined: 19.02.2008

Posts: 133

03.10.2008, 09:00 0

I don't really use the chart anymore, but from memory i believe you look at your own big blinds first. So regardless of if anyone has more than 6 big blinds, if you have 5 or less you shove the corresponding hand.

The part you bolded means that if you have a lot of chips, maybe 20bb deep, then you only shove that hand if all opponents after you have 5bb or less.

As for your examples, i'm not sure, just follow what the chart says because they have been made/tested before being released.

watfordjc

Joined: 08.02.2008

Posts: 34

03.10.2008, 11:02 0

As Sai7 said, you look at your blinds first (the article could really make that clearer). "[...] If there is a 5, for instance, you will have to go all-in if you or every opponent behind you has 5 or less big blinds. [...]"

With 7 players, UTG would place you in middle position, so (looking at the chart) you'd shove with 10BB or less with KJs.

That's how I understand it.

John.

My Poker Blog

_Anonymous_

01.11.2008, 16:34 0

easy push with KJs. Doesnt matter if they are short or bigstacks

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