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MasochisticDesire
Joined: 25.10.2010

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $6.71
SB: $6.63
BB: $3.20
UTG: $11.99
MP: $5.08
Hero (CO): $20.28

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05
No stats.

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has J♦ J♥

UTG raises to $0.15, fold, Hero raises to $0.40, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls $0.25

Flop: ($0.87, 2 players) 5♣ J♠ 3♣
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.68, UTG calls $0.68

Turn: ($2.23, 2 players) A♥
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.68, UTG calls $1.68

River: ($5.59, 2 players) 2♦
UTG checks, Hero bets $3.66, UTG calls $3.66

Spoiler

Hero shows J♦ J♥ (Three of a Kind, Jacks) (Pre 81%, Flop 96%, Turn 98%)
UTG mucks 5♥ 5♦ (Three of a Kind, Fives) (Pre 19%, Flop 4%, Turn 2%)
Hero wins $12.37

Bit gutted not to get all his $$$

I noticed afterwards that he had been chatting smack in chat.
'why you 3b to 8bb?'

Pre:
So, is there anything wrong with my betsizing there?
Im 3betting 10% over 7.5k hand sample and tend to vary sizing slightly but typically its 8bb IP and 9.5 OP. Comments?

Flop:
Now I know he flopped a set Im wondering if I had potted whether he would have read me for an overpair and raised but on the whole I think the cbet sizing is ok.
I conciously made it 68 rather than 70/72 as I think it looks significantly smaller than the actually difference. (makes sense in my mind anyhow.)

Turn:
Bet larger - $1.90s ?

Incidentally, thought I loved the A as I thought it would increase my likelyhood of getting paid but saw later that he had written:
Lucky set of As...

River:
Sizing?
...but I have to call anyway

Thanks,
MD


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

Hi

You could make your pf 3b size 1-2 bb larger. A smaller raise size makes sense if u are air heavy. I dont think thats the case in early positions. U are also deep.

Other than that i think u should pot the turn and river. Especially the river.

I dont think hes ever folding an ace or better even if u increase your bet size. No one is gonna put u on a straight


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MasochisticDesire
Joined: 25.10.2010

Hi mbml.

Yes, sizing comments make total sense and I see I have left some bb at the table in a very favourable spot.

Regarding 3b sizing:
3b larger with value hands vs opponents that wont notice the 'tell.'

So there is nothing 'mathematically' wrong with me 3betting to 8bb IP with my air heavy range?

Thanks,
MD


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

Originally posted by MasochisticDesire
Hi mbml.

Yes, sizing comments make total sense and I see I have left some bb at the table in a very favourable spot.

Regarding 3b sizing:
3b larger with value hands vs opponents that wont notice the 'tell.'

So there is nothing 'mathematically' wrong with me 3betting to 8bb IP with my air heavy range?

Thanks,
MD

It's more about playing with your entire range.

If you have mostly value hands here, raising smaller gives your opponent better odds to call and suckout on your monsters. And you just lose value vs worse hands.

If you have a lot of weak speculative hands here, raising smaller allows you to 3b bluff more cheaply.

So you need to think about both factors, and strike a good balance.


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MasochisticDesire
Joined: 25.10.2010

Thanks mbml,
sorry to keep on at ya.

I understand the theory in your comments above but...
practicle application, are you:

a) suggesting I consider my total 3b range and how much is made of value hands and how much air and arrive ata set 3b size(not considering position atm) that balances that range of hands.
ie - the larger the % of air hands, the smaller the 3b

b) suggesting I consider my percieved range and adjusting my 3b size according to that.

Thanks for the comments,
said it before but worth reiterating, I think this service is invaluable and one of the best things about PS.com.

MD


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