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[Closed] KQs Nutflush Draw

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00+$0.10 Tournament, 50/100 Blinds (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 (t1040)
CO (t2960)
Button (t1455)
SB (t3885)
Hero (BB) (t6500)
UTG (t2650)
UTG+1 (t1610)
MP1 (t1885)

Hero's M: 43.33

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, Q
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t100, MP1 calls t100, 1 fold, CO calls t100, 2 folds, Hero checks

Flop: (t450) A, 4, Q (4 players)
Hero bets t300, UTG+1 raises to t1510 (All-In), 2 folds, Hero folds

Total pot: t1050

I think this was close, not sure whether I should call or not coz I have middle pair good kicker, n nut flush draw, but I'm probably beat on the flop. Would I have the correct odds to call?


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you need to think number of outs if he has a A ( flush = 9 K = 3 + Q = 2 ) & because it wont hurt you to call you should not fold this

download pokerstove if you not got it & put hand into it & checkout hand % , BTW preflop is bad as well , got nice hand & dont be afaid to raise it min 500 & would be tempted to push it


Raise prefloop and push on the floop, you got strong pair + nut flushdraw, and this is hand i'm willing to go broke on. Only hands that he may have and they beat you is set of fours against which you got outs. Weak ace would fold here, a4 is remote possibility.


Hlynkinn
Joined: 14.06.2008

I think checking it preflop is okay.. I'm not fan of getting into trouble with KQ

Flop is your dream flop tho... go broke :)... You have so many outs and he could even be doing this with a smaller flush draw... So go broke.... Most likely he has a ace... I'm still going broke...


chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

Hi all,

I assume we're still quite far from the money here.

We can check or raise preflop. Both are OK.

On the flop I would flip between check/raising all-in or bet/calling. Don't bet/fold with a pair and a flushdraw, unless you've seen their cards and they have a set ;).


I guess they could have been on a weaker flushdraw too. I read somewhere on here not to go all in with a draw, but if I called I wouldn't be all in, n still have a healthy stack if I missed so I shoulda called here.


Here you have a big stack and a bunch of gimps after your BB. They are not in the push or fold stage yet, so I would standard raise preflop and fold to a reraise.
As for all-in on a draw, no, dont risk your tourney life on a draw. On a monster draw you can go broke. You can also risk some chips to eliminate another player with a draw, depending on the context of the tourney. On this flop you have a hand, and a draw, you are a huge favorite with a huge stack... push all-in! The only gimping hand that kills a few outs is 44. Any other hand that kills your KQ outs should have been raised preflop and villian has made a serious error gimping them (ie AQ AK QQ KK) make em pay with a nut-flush!
I would not even fold this hand if Doyle Brunson was pushing all-in.

@Hlynkinn: I am not a fan of getting into trouble with KQ either, thats why I would raise here. You find out where you are at sooner and you dont want all the gimps in the pot with you in any case. A raise preflop also gets the small pockets out of the hand, and those are the hands that can really take your money, ie, an Ace on the flop and you can see it and fold, but a set....
PFA also sets up a c-bet vs a weak call, or in this case if 2 or more limps called your raise you now have a monster hand, a monster pot, and 2+ chum in the tank who might just think they are pot committed or can bluff you off.
In this case they could have all folded to the flop bet, and you have gotten no value from your big hand.


chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

Originally posted by davidangel
Here you have a big stack and a bunch of gimps after your BB. They are not in the push or fold stage yet, so I would standard raise preflop and fold to a reraise.
As for all-in on a draw, no, dont risk your tourney life on a draw.

Hi davidangel. I dislike these sayings brought over from live poker with things like "we shouldn't go broke on a draw", etc. Evaluate your equity against his range and look at the pot odds. If these odds are good, you should be more than happy to go all-in. But the rest of what you said is right. While in this specific case we're often up against some crappy Ax type hand, we still easily have the odds to make a call :).