AKo, MP 4bet/call

30.01.2014, 18:39 0

Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players

BB: $10.42 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 13, 3B: 10, AF: 0,0, Hands: 201
UTG: $10.22 - VPIP: 31, PFR: 14, 3B: 3, AF: 1,6, Hands: 103
Hero (MP): $14.02 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 20, 3B: 7, AF: 4,3, Hands: 125909
CO: $10.00 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 24, 3B: 17, AF: 9,0, Hands: 84
BTN: $11.71 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 23, 3B: 6, AF: 4,8, Hands: 180
SB: $10.00 - VPIP: 28, PFR: 26, 3B: 6, AF: 0,4, Hands: 53

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with K :diamond: A :heart:
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, 1 fold, BTN raises to $0.90, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.30, BTN raises to $11.71, Hero calls $9.41

I have played quite many hands and noticed, that
4bet/calling anything less that QQ+ is -EV.

My strategy here by default now is to 4bet/call KK+ (and QQ,
if player is not a rock) and fold everything else.

I was thinking about flatting QQ+, AK, but that strategy
is not working for me. AK hits the flop 33% of the time
and in 66% I have to guess - do I x/minraise to 2 x or not
as a bluff and even then there is an option to run into AA or KK.

Is it a better option to just call 3bets with QQ+ and then
x/minraise Flops, etc.?

EDIT: And folding about 88% to 3bet by default...

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_Anonymous_

30.01.2014, 18:47 0

Hi Anger86

Preflop: Have you compared QQs and AKs equity vs a range that stacks off with you?

Do a quick equilab and look at AKo, QQ and AKs vs QQ+, AK.

Folding 88% to 3-bet seems really high and implies that you rarely call or 4-bet bluff (it's ok to fold more in EP/MP but as you get in LP is not as great).

Anyhow to get back to the hand villain hasn't 3-bet much and you are MP vs BTN with slightly deeper stacks.
That means that you generally won't see many weak hands shoving over a 4-bet there and he rarely makes a big mistake after a 4-bet. Thus, calling or folding preflop is best. If you expect him to be really strong just foldingis fine too.

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_Anonymous_

30.01.2014, 19:09 0

Originally posted by BogdanPS
Hi Anger86

Preflop: Have you compared QQs and AKs equity vs a range that stacks off with you?

Do a quick equilab and look at AKo, QQ and AKs vs QQ+, AK.

You are right. Both, QQ and AKs are about 40% vs QQ+; AK.

Folding 88% to 3-bet seems really high and implies that you rarely call or 4-bet bluff (it's ok to fold more in EP/MP but as you get in LP is not as great).

It's more like 70% ATM over 130k hands, but strategy to only 4bet/call
with KK+ would result it in being at 88%.

Anyhow to get back to the hand villain hasn't 3-bet much and you are MP vs BTN with slightly deeper stacks.

Coach, what should Villain's 3bet be to 4bet/call also w/ AK and QQ? It's so much position dependent that I can't figure it out.
That's because players 3bet 15% from BB/SB vs BU/CO and it all
summarizes together.

That means that you generally won't see many weak hands shoving over a 4-bet there and he rarely makes a big mistake after a 4-bet. Thus, calling or folding preflop is best. If you expect him to be really strong just foldingis fine too.

As for calling preflop, do you think x/r Flops to 2x would be a fine approach
OOP. With strong hands and with bluffs. Totally unbalanced most likely.
Good thing that with x/minraises I could get reads faster and it
is also good risk/reward raise.

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_Anonymous_

30.01.2014, 19:19 0

To add I have 4bet total of 44 hands, when I was in EP.

Saw Flop = true = 24 hands.

Then success is (44-24)/44=20/44= 46%

And as I'm 4betting to 2.5x, then

1.5 = bbs
3 = open
9 = 3bet
21 (24) = 3bet
21/(24+1.5+9) = 21/34.5=60% to break even.

Which is alright with me to get more reads.
Also AKo can be turned into a bluff, I guess.

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_Anonymous_

30.01.2014, 20:02 0

It's not all about their 3bet % but also what they continue after they shove.

For example if someone just shoves KK+ you can't call after a 4-bet.

If we call we do so to keep his bluffs in and because we have a hand that's crushing the bluff part of his range. You could look to bluff flops but you have to ask yourself what you are targeting (after you put him on a range).

Take a flop example and see what you'd target with a raise.

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