Discussion about ethics of staking

So, the thing is, noone had shown any interest be4 me and after i did,he even applyed in skype a few hours (01.41) after i expressed my interest in the thread :

" hey i am amplifyd from pstrat (already had you added), tomorrow i have football training until like 2100 my time but if you are free then we can talk "

when i then came home that evening to discuss the deal you had already made a deal, even tho you KNEW i had expressed my interested BEFORE you.

Ofc its not "illegal" to " run be4 someone else in line" but its not ethical right to do, and its def not respectful.

It's like ignoring and going infront of the old lady in the line of the supermarket, noone will prolly do something about it, but i bet they all think it is a douch move.

Anyway, i wouldnt do somehting like this to you or to any other staker on this forum, i would RESPECT i wasnt fast enough this time and try to be faster for the next oppurtunity.

I dont say i would stake amplifyd with 100 % certenty, but i wanted to discuss the deal atleast, and if i / he wouldnt come to an agreement i wouldnt mind you going in and staking him with different terms.

So to summurize, i dont think its a "illegal" thing to do, but i think its a move with no respect for the other stakers and a move with no honor what so ever, simply a move of greed.

I kinda give Totte credit on this one. Just because he didn't mention he is reserving a piece, it doesn't mean he doesn't deserve the right to negotiate.

Maritsula, if you did actually see him expressing interest before you did, ETHICAL thing to do would be talk to Totte and ask what % he is going to take so you know how much you can book yourself, rather than just taking 100% without hesitation.

Rihard

I think it's up to the staked person what he wants to do and with whom he wants to make deals with. The way i see it, Maritsula didn't do anything wrong. He made proposition and the guy accepted it.

If there's need to point fingers, it would've been polite from the staked person to listen the Totte's offer first.

Beat me to it PerusJamppa, totally agree with you!

Originally posted by PerusJamppa
I think it's up to the staked person what he wants to do and with whom he wants to make deals with. The way i see it, Maritsula didn't do anything wrong. He made proposition and the guy accepted it.

If there's need to point fingers, it would've been polite from the staked person to listen the Totte's offer first.

+1

I don't see why maritsula needs to confirm with totte before requesting to deal. Willing buyer, willing seller, this is how the world works.

This is very different from the analogy used (cutting an old lady's queue in the supermarket) and is much more similar to selling a house or something where the owner has the right to sell to anyone willing to make the deal immediately, regardless of who approached him first.

lol, did you really compare a staking offer to buying/selling a house ♦

Thanks for the input everyone.

Originally posted by totte1992
So, the thing is, noone had shown any interest be4 me and after i did,he even applyed in skype a few hours (01.41) after i expressed my interest in the thread :

" hey i am amplifyd from pstrat (already had you added), tomorrow i have football training until like 2100 my time but if you are free then we can talk "

When i then came home that evening to discuss the deal you had already made a deal, even tho you KNEW i had expressed my interested BEFORE you.

When I checked the staking thread I saw that a few guys posted expressing interest (did not check/remember names) but the stakee asked for his stake to remain open. Also, in his initial post he asked anyone who was interested to pm him. Thats exactly what I did and reached to an agreement.

Furthermore, the stakee did not inform me that he was already discussing a deal with someone else etc. I would be more than happy to provide skype chat logs.

And this might suprise you but not I did even know that you specifically expressed interest before me. I was quite shocked when I found in my blog a post by you saying "you are a piece of shit with no honor". Actually, it took me 10-15 minutes to figure out what was going on.

As I said before, you could raise a point about my behaviour being unethical if you said "reserve all action, will discuss details on skype" since this is binding.

However, since you stated that you might be interested and willing to discuss it at later point, I dont see why this should stop anyone from contacting the stakee!

I wont even comment on yout eagerness to jump to conclusions and on your abusive language and behavior.

The only reason I made this thread is because your extremist behaviour made me doubt my actions and wanted to hear if more people shared your views.

Originally posted by PerusJamppa
I think it's up to the staked person what he wants to do and with whom he wants to make deals with. The way i see it, Maritsula didn't do anything wrong. He made proposition and the guy accepted it.

If there's need to point fingers, it would've been polite from the staked person to listen the Totte's offer first.

^ This

Also, the stakee did say to keep the thread open, so if I was a potential staker I would have assumed nothing was finalized.
Probably would have added him on skype and gone "have you finalized stake with anyone? No? Ok so can we discuss?"

Nothing unethical tbh.

Plus if I'm looking at stakee's perspective, even though someone has expressed interest first, I would also consider others who has expressed interest and maybe go with the guy who asked third, simply because I feel like I'm more comfortable with him.

Don't see anything wrong here

Originally posted by maritsula
Thanks for the input everyone.

Originally posted by totte1992
So, the thing is, noone had shown any interest be4 me and after i did,he even applyed in skype a few hours (01.41) after i expressed my interest in the thread :

" hey i am amplifyd from pstrat (already had you added), tomorrow i have football training until like 2100 my time but if you are free then we can talk "

When i then came home that evening to discuss the deal you had already made a deal, even tho you KNEW i had expressed my interested BEFORE you.

When I checked the staking thread I saw that a few guys posted expressing interest (did not check/remember names) but the stakee asked for his stake to remain open. Also, in his initial post he asked anyone who was interested to pm him. Thats exactly what I did and reached to an agreement.

Furthermore, the stakee did not inform me that he was already discussing a deal with someone else etc. I would be more than happy to provide skype chat logs.

And this might suprise you but not I did even know that you specifically expressed interest before me. I was quite shocked when I found in my blog a post by you saying "you are a piece of shit with no honor". Actually, it took me 10-15 minutes to figure out what was going on.

As I said before, you could raise a point about my behaviour being unethical if you said "reserve all action, will discuss details on skype" since this is binding.

However, since you stated that you might be interested and willing to discuss it at later point, I dont see why this should stop anyone from contacting the stakee!

I wont even comment on yout eagerness to jump to conclusions and on your abusive language and behavior.

The only reason I made this thread is because your extremist behaviour made me doubt my actions and wanted to hear if more people shared your views.

It was ONLY me who was interested in the first place ( if you remove the guy asking for the bankroll needed )

He said the thread should be open for a different reason you assuming:

There was ppl saying he might wouldnt find a staker with the condition he stated and they suggested he might should open up pieces instead. Amplifyd then said that " this MIGHT be the option" A mod (Hollymichelle) then asked if he should close the thread.

Im 99 % sure thatAplifyd then said no mostly becouse inbetween this i explained my intetest in the staking. Therefore there was no reason to close the thread at that point. ( i havnt had the time to talk to him yet, which is why he didnt want it closed)

And there was ppl agreeing and disagreeing with me about your actions...

The stakee has a right to choose whoever he wants to have a stake with, nobody has the right to stake him just because they asked first. This reminds me of a spoilt child not getting what they want.

Originally posted by ipeaceonu
The stakee has a right to choose whoever he wants to have a stake with, nobody has the right to stake him just because they asked first. This reminds me of a spoilt child not getting what they want.

totally agree but that's not the point, whatsoever

Originally posted by totte1992
lol, did you really compare a staking offer to buying/selling a house ♦

Its a much more apt analogy imo.

Re the discussion. I think its up to the person selling tbh, unless someone specifically reserves action I don't see a problem with what happened.

Originally posted by holmeboy

Originally posted by totte1992
lol, did you really compare a staking offer to buying/selling a house ♦

Its a much more apt analogy imo.

Re the discussion. I think its up to the person selling tbh, unless someone specifically reserves action I don't see a problem with what happened.

Exactly.

It's not the staker's responsibility to make sure that all previous offers by other stakers have been dealt with. Maritsula did absolutely nothing wrong or unethical.

Originally posted by totte1992
lol, did you really compare a staking offer to buying/selling a house ♦

Did you really compare yourself to an old lady?

Spoiler

PerusJamppa , MBML and others got it spot on IMO, it is up to the stakee to decides who he wants to deal with...

There is no lack of ethics in this case. At the end of day it is business that's all not courtesy. You did not get the deal. tough shit, move on!

Originally posted by thazar

There is no lack of ethics in this case. At the end of day it is business that's all not courtesy. You did not get the deal. tough shit, move on!

i dont really care if i got the deal or not, and ofc its the stakees chooice who he want as a backer, i totally agree, but again thats not why im dissapointed . The thing i think is disrespectful is HOW maritsula got the deal, thats all.

Originally posted by totte1992

Originally posted by thazar

There is no lack of ethics in this case. At the end of day it is business that's all not courtesy. You did not get the deal. tough shit, move on!

i dont really care if i got the deal or not, and ofc its the stakees chooice who he want as a backer, i totally agree, but again thats not why im dissapointed . The thing i think is disrespectful is HOW maritsula got the deal, thats all.

Totte, I really cant follow you thought process. What do you mean how I got the deal?

Stakee applied for a stake, even though you expressed potential interest, stakee kept his application open and was asking for anyone interested to pm his so they can discuss in private. I did just that and reached to an agreement. Its as simple as that.

Lastly, I would like to thank all the community members for taking the time to express their opinion.

If you are as narrow minded as you sounds i dont have the energy to explain. I stil think your action was disrespectful whatever you or/and any other member say...

i wouldnt have done something like this to you but now when we made clear we dont have any honorcode on this forum, i might start doing the same thing to you in the future.

My 2c regarding this: I think there was a miscommunication between both players. Imo argue is pointless here, its like deciding which phone fits you better: samsung or apple. Should focus to find a (friendly) solution. While I agree that maritsula is "aggressive" towards staking deals, he should be also someone that wants to settle this in a friendly manner if there are any issues.

If you can't come to a friendly solution, there is one thing left.....