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PedroRobertooo
Joined: 13.06.2011

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (BTN): $25.10 (100.4 bb)
SB: $36.11 (144.4 bb)
BB: $35.78 (143.1 bb)
UTG: $25 (100 bb)
MP: $51.43 (205.7 bb)
CO: $75.24 (301 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 6 T
2 folds, CO raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, CO calls $1.25

Flop: ($4.35) 4 2 2 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $1.75, CO calls $1.75

Turn: ($7.85) J (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

River: ($7.85) 8 (2 players)
CO bets $3.75, Hero folds

Unknown villain

I can barrel on :heart: turn only or can I try J+ as well? I think he can call twice second PP, he can hit that J turn so that's turn is not that good.


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Hi PedroRobertooo

Preflop: what's your range here for 3-betting a random unknown villain? It seems to be random.

Postflop: As played you would need to run 3-barrels to fold any PPs and even then it's iffy (villain dependent). I also don't like your flop underbet there as you don't really set up stacks great at all.


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PedroRobertooo
Joined: 13.06.2011

My 3bet range against unknown villain is like this: TT+, AK (sometimes AQ) as value and bluff range is like this: A5s-A2s,K8s,Q8s,J8s,T7s,96s,86s,76s,65s,ATo. T6s isn't in this range but there's not difference between T7s and T6s maybe.

My flop cbet was small yes, but I think he will call a lot of times because this flop isn't hit me as well as him, so he will float a lot, and I will barrel bigger on the turn and the river. This was the plan.


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Are you stacking off hands like TT and AQ once you 3-bet them?

Also sure T6 and T7 are very similar but if you start adding every hand that's very similar you'll have a huge 3-bet range.

As far as your strategy goes what cards are you barreling other than hearts (which only show up 20% of the time)?

You clearly aren't betting a high card so that implies you don't really bet much else.


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PedroRobertooo
Joined: 13.06.2011

Originally posted by BogdanPS
Are you stacking off hands like TT and AQ once you 3-bet them?

Yes I'm stacking off these hands after 3bet.


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So does that imply that you think unknown villains stack off really light CO vs BTN or do you think they 4-bet bluff a lot?

And by a lot I mean more than 1 in 3 times.


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PedroRobertooo
Joined: 13.06.2011

CO have to 4bet a lot to not be exploitive. BTN is the best position. I'm in position, CO have a relatively wide range. That's why BTN vs. CO situatuons are the most aggressive. What do you think about this 3bet/5bet range? AQ+, TT+. Do you think is it too wide?


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It's not really relevant that CO has to 4-bet a lot to not be exploitative.

Why is that? Because people do NOT play (at 25nl) with that factor in mind so assuming an unknown will 4-bet a lot so he isn't exploited is a sure way to overestimate his range.

Now, the better thing to look at is how do you expect an unknown regular to play here.

Do you expect them to 4-bet bluff 40% of the time, or 50%? Do you expect them to stack off hands like AJs or 99 (after your shove)?

Think about it like this. For AK to be profitable 3-bet/5-bet you need villain to stack off AQ or worse OR bluff 4-bet at least 20-25% of the time. Now, that second part, is somewhat reasonable to expect.

But if that's the requirement for AK what do you think is the requirement for AQ and TT?


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PedroRobertooo
Joined: 13.06.2011

Villain's operange:22+, A2s+, K7s+, Q8s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 86s+, 75s+, 65s, 54s, A9o+, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o, 98o (31,52%)

A regular's 4bet range looks like this imo: TT+,AKs,ATs,KTs,AKo,AJo,KJo+
TT+ AK 4bet/broke.(6,79%) TT will call sometimes. This means he gonna fold 44 of 90 combos -> 48,89%

When he calls:


       Equity     Win     Tie
MP2    65.95%  64.58%   1.36% { TT+, AKs, AKo }
MP3    34.05%  32.69%   1.36% { TT }

my 3bet range look like this:
TT+, AKs, A5s-A2s, K8s, Q8s, J8s, T7s, 96s, 86s, 76s, 65s, AQo+, ATo (8,9%)
Broke: 4,37%(49%) fold: 4,53%(51%)

Villain's openraise: 3bb
MY 3bet size: 8bb
Standard villain's 4bet size: 19-20bb

When I 3bet he call about 9% +6,79% 4bet -> He will 49% fold 51% defend passive of agg. way

0,49*3bb+0,51*(0,489*20bb+0,511*(-0,51*8bb+0,49*(+100bb*0,34-100bb*0,66)))=1,3bb

Every time I win 1,3bb when I push pocket TT. That could be right if I assume villain's range wrong but please correct me if this is the problem.

I hope I calculated well :)
As you can see I thought in ranges but at least I put only TT against villain's all range because that's the worst card I shove.


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Well I think you are quite optimistic when it comes to assigning that 4-bet range for an unknown regular at 25nl 6max.

From the regs you actually have data do you find that this range is actually there? Do you see them calling a shove with TT often in spots like this? I can see JJ+,AK without info and even JJ calls sometimes rather than 4-bet.

But if you really expect all those value combos (not to mention people call some of those QQ+/AK as well) and all those bluff combos then obviously you can ship lighter for value.,


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PedroRobertooo
Joined: 13.06.2011

You saying that I can JJ+, AK or maybe QQ+ AK profitably broke only?


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I think JJ+ is fine from BTN and the blinds (and AK). I'd only add the rest at 25nl if we have a really aggro image or we have some reads on villain.

But, if you have a big enough sample, check your DB and see how you do with TT and AQ when you stack off from the BTN vs CO (and you can also take a look at all the hands you got called vs a shove and see how often the weaker ones show up)>


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