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MrTrocks
Joined: 25.03.2006

PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 154 BB (VPIP: 17.95, PFR: 17.95, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 40)
Hero (SB): 119.48 BB
BB: 43.02 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 30)
UTG: 75.12 BB (VPIP: 52.27, PFR: 32.58, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 135)
MP: 119.22 BB (VPIP: 20.41, PFR: 9.18, 3Bet Preflop: 2.56, Hands: 103)
CO: 96.86 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♦ 3♠ K♥ J♥

UTG raises to 3.5 BB, fold, CO calls 3.5 BB, BTN calls 3.5 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, BB calls 2.5 BB

Flop: (17.5 BB, 5 players) 9♠ 2♥ A♥
Hero bets 12 BB, fold, UTG calls 12 BB, fold, BTN calls 12 BB

Turn: (53.5 BB, 3 players) Q♠
Hero ?

whats ure line ott with the picked up gutter? i was not sure because after i get called with the nfd the Q hits there hand in some way. just pot and hope or c/f if pot?

villian wtsd 36 wsd 60 overall af 1,0 bet when ch 50% af 0,8
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Krach-Bumm-Ente
Joined: 01.05.2006

I'm not sure if I like the flop lead.
The problem is that you hit the flush only ~1 out of 4 times, 3 times you have a tricky turn spot. Plus your lead could get raised, especially 5handed.

I think I'd just c/c flop for these reasons.


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MrTrocks
Joined: 25.03.2006

yeah 5 handed could be a special situation...mmhhhh


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Suhepxm
Joined: 20.10.2008

yeah i dont think leading here gives us many benefits. Especially because we are action before the pfa, if we were to act after him i would like a lead/stab.

As played i c/c turn. I see some slowplayed sets in MPs and BUs range and also plenty of AQ combos that might shove the turn.


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MrTrocks
Joined: 25.03.2006

i dont think we have the eq to a big bet here to c/c


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

Hero will hit the flush 1 out of 5 times, to be correct. To 80% of the time hero doesn't hit the flush.

I don't think anyone has aces, so against AQxx, QQxx range hero has 28-29% ott. As the pot is so big, hero can't really bet-fold.

I would check the flop cos leading will create this problem on almost 80% of the turns. Only better hands will raise and then hero pretty much has to fold. So most of the time villains are just going to call. To prevent those akward turn spots, check preflop and see what happens.

Hero didn't say why he thinks leading the flop is better than checking?


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MrTrocks
Joined: 25.03.2006

well i donk this flop to keep my range wider. i would also bet somethimes with set, 2pairs+fd and somethimes i would go for a c/c with a nfd. Fish could also call my donk with a weaker fd. But i think like KBE said that this i not a good situation to donk here

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Skodljivec
Joined: 17.12.2011

Hi,

yeah leading here isn't good because of so many players; i also don't like leading with the nfd when the A is on board vs so many opponents. You can't stand a c/r so leading isn't great here. OTT i would prob bet again with the gutter, maybe we get some FE but we are usually assured 29% equity even vs someone that wants to get it in here.

however calls on such drawy boards usually aren't sets, so we have FE here so just barrel.

Regards,

Skod


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Krach-Bumm-Ente
Joined: 01.05.2006

Originally posted by Skodljivec
i also don't like leading with the nfd when the A is on board

why specifically when the A is on board? i initially thought you'd refer to the fact that we could be bluffing with A blocker if there is no A on board, but we could also just be bluffing with the K blocker when the A is on board


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MrTrocks
Joined: 25.03.2006

i guess because we are 5 way and is very likely someone has it


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Skodljivec
Joined: 17.12.2011

Yes people love to play hands with an ace, so it's more likely they have it, + when you for example donk with A high the A is often a very good card for you as well, adding equity even if the flush doesn't hit, so it has in general better equity vs opponents ranges.

Next time when you have extra questions please click the "let the coach take another look button". Thanks!

Regards,

Skod


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