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KQo vs raise turn bvb

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GingerKid
Joined: 05.08.2007

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 18.20, PFR: 8.76, 3Bet Preflop: 2.23, Hands: 446)
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 181.74 BB
UTG: 62 BB
MP: 130.34 BB (VPIP: 20.81, PFR: 19.29, 3Bet Preflop: 13.70, Hands: 204)
CO: 65.6 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q♦ K♠

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) 8♥ 7♠ Q♣
Hero bets 4 BB, BB calls 4 BB

Turn: (14 BB, 2 players) 3♦
Hero bets 9 BB, BB raises to 26 BB, Hero calls 17 BB

River: (66 BB, 2 players) 2♥
Hero checks, BB bets 51 BB, Hero calls 51 BB

Spoiler

BB shows 7♥ Q♥ (Two Pair, Queens and Sevens) (Pre 29%, Flop 75%, Turn 86%)
Hero mucks Q♦ K♠ (One Pair, Queens) (Pre 71%, Flop 25%, Turn 14%)
BB wins 163 BB

Is postflop ok vs unknown?


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snap fold turn


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GingerKid
Joined: 05.08.2007

Originally posted by RakeVictim
snap fold turn

without explanation, I dont see how can I learn something from this.


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There are not so many draws on this board. The turn card is complete blank.
Any turn raise is going to show a significant amount of strength, and a weak top pair or worse is not going to warrant this sort of display of strength. I'm sure that you can feel how much of an awkward situation this is when you hold top pair top kicker, but we both know that folding is going to be the best move here the majority of the time.

One of the biggest problems is that we are out of position, which means the information we have on our opponent is limited. You can try and convince yourself that the turn card was harmless and how might you like to think that your opponent is aggressively playing a draw, but at the end of it all you can't get away from the fact that you are in an uncomfortable situation where calling is likely to be a losing play over the long run.

If you decide to call on the turn, what are you going to do on the river? Your opponent is almost definitely going to be betting out as a bluff or betting with the best hand, so closing your eyes and calling the turn bet whilst hoping for the best on the river isn't going to be a great strategy.


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GingerKid
Joined: 05.08.2007

There are not so many draws on this board

I dont think that there need to be a lot of draws, so that villian might be bluffing. Here there 65, 9T, JT. He can call flop with those and raise turn because with gutshots he cant call +EV anymore, or hardly.

If you decide to call on the turn, what are you going to do on the river? Your opponent is almost definitely going to be betting out as a bluff or betting with the best hand, so closing your eyes and calling the turn bet whilst hoping for the best on the river isn't going to be a great strategy.

Ok, what is your general strategy when somebody raises? What hands do you defend, and do you think that it could be that villian is exploiting you with bluffs? Or maybe you think that in NL50 zoom players are not bluffing when raising?


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DarkAwi
Joined: 15.06.2010

I don't think an unknown villain would exploit you if you fold "too much" on the turn vs a raise, so without any info, I'd fold here too, but I don't think calling would be too bad either.

Since the board is dry, I don't think you have a 3betting range on the turn, so this hand is quite the bottom of your range on the river, so folding should be the best there.


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Ok, what is your general strategy when somebody raises? What hands do you defend, and do you think that it could be that villian is exploiting you with bluffs?

Against an unknown, I'll defend with 2p+ or big combo draws prob
Dont be afraid that the villain could exploiting us at the micros before you have a reason for that. I mean if villain is unknown for us, you are unknown for him too.

Or maybe you think that in NL50 zoom players are not bluffing when raising?

Sure they do, but not so often. At the majority of the time, they wont. If you have any notes or you think they adjust, then you will adjust too. But until then, by default, dont give them credit for bluffing, give them a credit for strong made hand when they're raising ott.


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FFRRAANNKKIIEE
Joined: 30.12.2010

Hey guys,

Nice discussion here,

I moved the thread to the Hand Discussion part of the forum so others see it too.

Kind regards,
Fran


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Did you counted combos?

Im lazy to do it now :f_biggrin:


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