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3way with alot of 2nd nut draws

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Suhepxm
Joined: 20.10.2008

$0.25/$0.50 Zoom Pot Limit Omaha Hi
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Stacks:
Hero (UTG) ($56.18) 112bb
UTG+1 ($57.49) 115bb
CO ($98.41) 197bb
BTN ($174.28) 349bb
SB ($58.98) 118bb
BB ($65.40) 131bb

Pre-Flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is UTG 9♣ Q♥ 10:spade: Q♣
Hero raises to $1.75, 1 fold, CO raises to $6, BTN calls $6, 2 folds, Hero calls $4.25

Flop: A♣ J♣ 7♠ ($18.75, 3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $12.53, BTN calls $12.53, $12.53 to Hero ($50.18)?

CO is a 17/12/3.5 nit, BU is 36/20/2.5 weak passive player.

pre: hu i would snap fold, but BU seems fishy and i have relative position, furthermore this is one of the "better" QQ hands. Call is still debatable (or just bad:D) though.

Flop: not that bad, but also not that good since the 3betting nit is having topset soo often.
In retrospective i think c/c flop and evaluate turn (probably donking on hit) should be the best play. I almost did that. Almost!

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Hero goes all-in $50.18, CO goes all-in $92.41, BTN calls $79.88

Your thoughts?


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Gothicrow
Joined: 15.11.2010

I would call PF too, just because BTN cold calls and give us better odds

On the flop, I think our 2nd FD is alive most of the time, and also we have a double gutter so we can't fold, but I would just call to be able to fold if the board pairs on the turn.

Regards


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Skodljivec
Joined: 17.12.2011

Hi,

assuming CO is heavy on AA here makes calling the best option as we don't have FE. I am a bit afraid when BTN calls that he has the nutfd, as even if he is passive i can't really see many other draws he calls in a sandwitch here (obv he has others, but the line looks nfdy).

Call flop, evaluate turn.

Regards,

Skod


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MrTrocks
Joined: 25.03.2006

Originally posted by Suhepxm
I almost did that. Almost!

Spoiler

Hero goes all-in $50.18, CO goes all-in $92.41, BTN calls $79.88

haha suhepxm ure such a speewtard

like skod said, i do not aggree with gothicrow that the fd is almost alive here. my first intentention was also that i would be afraid BB could have the nfd here. With ure gutters i think its okay to call but honestly if i had only one gutter and this fd i would think about folding.

What u thinking skod with this fd and only 1 gutter would u still call otf?


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Skodljivec
Joined: 17.12.2011

Originally posted by MrTrocks

Originally posted by Suhepxm
I almost did that. Almost!

Spoiler

Hero goes all-in $50.18, CO goes all-in $92.41, BTN calls $79.88

haha suhepxm ure such a speewtard

like skod said, i do not aggree with gothicrow that the fd is almost alive here. my first intentention was also that i would be afraid BB could have the nfd here. With ure gutters i think its okay to call but honestly if i had only one gutter and this fd i would think about folding.

What u thinking skod with this fd and only 1 gutter would u still call otf?

I don't think i can fold the 2nd nfd in a 3b pot with a gutter and potential set outs... It does become a bit closer, but i'm prob not folding. Purely mathematically our FD isn't dominated often enough iirc, but the BTN's call should be a bit heavier on the nfd as usuall here. I would fold with a higher SPR, but never in a SPR 2,5 here.

Regards,

Skod


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MrTrocks
Joined: 25.03.2006

so u would call flop and fold ott when he bombs again?


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Krach-Bumm-Ente
Joined: 01.05.2006

Originally posted by MrTrocks
so u would call flop and fold ott when he bombs again?

yes and i think it's not really close


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MrTrocks
Joined: 25.03.2006

okay but a ship is too hard in my mind otf. i´m with u to call otf. but i find it closer 3way only with a fd or a fd and gutter


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

Originally posted by MrTrocks
so u would call flop and fold ott when he bombs again?

You mean fold ott if the board pairs? Calling otf and folding to a blank turn is the worst option of all.


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