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Zoom 100, AQo vs BU 3-bet

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ETBrooD
Joined: 16.09.2009

Hi,

I had no reads or good sample on villain.

I think P/F/T should all be optimal in a vacuum.
My range after calling on the turn is all AQ/AJ and all broadway FD's.

On the river I'm really not sure what to do. I lean towards calling because of the texture, but my Qs blocker made me think a fold was in order.
If I fold too many AQ this seems like a hugely profitable spot for villain to 3-barrel this texture. I have no clue if he'll bluff with 2nd pair.

Should I always fold when I have a broadway FD blocker or should I just keep it simple and call all of my bluffcatchers?

$0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem
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6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($170.17) 170bb
UTG+1 ($65.81) 66bb
ETBrooD (CO) ($131.53) 132bb
BTN ($120.51) 121bb
SB ($100) 100bb
BB ($59.26) 59bb

Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 6 players) ETBrooD is CO
2 folds, ETBrooD raises to $2.40, BTN raises to $8, 2 folds, ETBrooD calls $5.60

Flop: ($17.50, 2 players)
ETBrooD checks, BTN bets $10, ETBrooD calls $10

Turn: ($37.50, 2 players)
ETBrooD checks, BTN bets $26.85, ETBrooD calls $26.85

River: ($91.20, 2 players)
ETBrooD checks, BTN bets $75.66, $75.66 to ETBrooD ($86.68)?


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Shevtshenko
Joined: 06.12.2009

If I only look at your range on river (AQ/AJ), I think you probably should fold when you have AQ, or at least the times you have the Q:s. Although, I don't really think the blocker matters much if at all in this spot. If I think about my range, I would have a whole lot of other hands on river so, for me I would always call with AQ.

Any sample on villain's 3bet % obviously helps a lot here.


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GingerKid
Joined: 05.08.2007

What oother hands do you have on river when you say you have a lot more? Also why do you think that blockers dont matter here much? I think that we beat mostly busted draws so if we block them it reduces our Ev and if villian is balanced it would be -ev call. If frequency is unknown, the best we can do is to call X% of range and choose hands that block his value range which are Ax hands and doesnt block bluffs.

I raise turn with fd and AJ,jj,so on river i have AQ. I fold river all one pair hands exploitatively, because in nl100 i see bluffs 3barrels on Axx boards super rare.


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GingerKid
Joined: 05.08.2007

Bug


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Shevtshenko
Joined: 06.12.2009

The blocker to the ace is way more important than the blocker to the Q. I'd have quite a few more Ax than AQ on river and also draws.

You are arguing both sides here. If you can develop an argument regarding one way or other, I'll post my thoughts on it.

I don't know what to say when I read a post containing both this:

If frequency is unknown, the best we can do is to call X% of range and choose hands that block his value range which are Ax hands and doesnt block bluffs.

And this:

I fold river all one pair hands exploitatively

Not really sure what I can add anymore.


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GingerKid
Joined: 05.08.2007

I wrote this way because gto wise we should defend AQ as it blocks decent amount of Ax and is i top of range.

But i fold exploitatively river just because of my own population read that regs in nl100 rarely bluff 3streets on Axx in 3bet pot. So wanted to ask if you agree about population read and if you agree should i use such a reads to fold AQ here. I already use population reads like min raise on turn from fish is strong, or limp/3bet is strong, so i am not sure if i should use reads for regs?

I guess i can filter database for all regs, cbetting river on Axx in 3bet pot and having less than top pair, so if this is much less than around our pot odds i can fold Ax exploitatively vs unknown frequencies?


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ETBrooD
Joined: 16.09.2009

I tend to agree to that. Even without the blocker it's very close, but I don't see myself folding then. I'd fold way too often because from oop I usually go for the 4-bet game.
Is that a mistake? I mean, BTN should be 3-betting somewhere around 10% vs CO, so should I often just call JJ and AKo and 4-bet only a dominating range mixed with Axs?


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Shevtshenko
Joined: 06.12.2009

 So wanted to ask if you agree about population read and if you agree should i use such a reads to fold AQ here.

You should have a lot better idea regarding how the population plays than I do. I'd suggest asking about these types of reads from the regulars on your limit. I would not fold AQ in this spot.

I mean, BTN should be 3-betting somewhere around 10% vs CO

You know something I don't know then. I can't make such a claim on a specific percentage, especially since cutoff opening ranges vary a lot.

4betting strategy also depends. I would also be 4betting hands like AK all day vs someone 3betting 10% covsbu.


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ETBrooD
Joined: 16.09.2009

Thanks a lot, I had a few leaks in this spot :)


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