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€0.10/€0.20 No Limit Holdem

Stacks:
UTG clajas69 (€26.08) 130bb
UTG+1 Gypsyhugo (€12.14) 61bb
CO Love4Moneyy (€28.33) 142bb
BTN gacsaly005 (€22.83) 114bb
SB Tarnkapec (€20.70) 104bb
BB Hero (€20.90) 105bb

Pre-Flop: (€0.30, 6 players) Hero is BB 4♣ K♣
4 folds, Tarnkapec raises to €0.60, Hero calls €0.40

Flop: 5♥ 2♣ 9♣ (€1.10, 2 players)
Tarnkapec bets €1, Hero calls €1

Turn: 10:club: (€3.10, 2 players)
Tarnkapec bets €2.20, Hero calls €2.20

River: A♥ (€7.50, 2 players)
Tarnkapec bets €6, Hero goes all-in €17.10

SB: looked like a standard regular, high barrel freq. based on small samples

What is the weakest hand i can valueshove on the river? What's the best with sets? What is my opponents weakest hand that can call my river shove?


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mysteryman21
Joined: 18.09.2010

What is the weakest hand i can valueshove on the river

A9 I think, we dont want to put much money with Top pair A and A5.

What's the best with sets
Depends how much he folds vs raise cb, maybe the most value line raise flop or turn(probably top set).

What is my opponents weakest hand that can call my river shove?
A :club: with something(2 pairs probably). I asuume he only needs to call 1/5 times. And he has all sets, flushes, 2pair, 34. So how much he bets river? if he bets all time he should call you wider if he is nitty his range already strong so sets, flushes, very good blockers


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double2
Joined: 04.11.2008

Hi there,

pre flop standard

Flop standard

Turn I would say call is fine, raise should be alright as well.

River,

Originally posted by 24magus24

What is the weakest hand i can valueshove on the river? What is my opponents weakest hand that can call my river shove?

Let's do some math:

Villain has to call ~45% of the time our shove to prevent us from making a profitable bluff with any two cards.

If he bets river with this range:
AA, TT-99, AcKc, AcQc, AcJc, QcJc, AcTc, QcTc, JcTc, Ac9c, Qc9c, Jc9c, Tc9c, Ac8c, Qc8c, Jc8c, Tc8c, 9c8c, Ac7c, Qc7c, Jc7c, Tc7c, 9c7c, 8c7c, Ac6c, Qc6c, Jc6c, Tc6c, 9c6c, 8c6c, 7c6c, Ac5c, Qc5c, Jc5c, Tc5c, 9c5c, 8c5c, 7c5c, 6c5c, 6c4c, 5c4c, Ac3c, Qc3c, Jc3c, 4c3c, Ac2c, Qc2c, Jc2c, KdQc, KhQc, KsQc, KcQd, KcQh, KcQs, KcJd, KcJh, KcJs, Kc8d, Kc8h, Kc8s, QdJc, QhJc, QsJc, QcJd, QcJh, QcJs, Qc8d, Qc8h, Qc8s

(it's irrelevant that I put KcXx in his bluff range, I'm just trying to give him a balanced betting range that has close to 2 to 1 value to bluffs ratio).

So he'd have to call 45% top of this range, and that leaves with the worst hand he's calling is 8c5c, and his calling shove river range is something like this (so he should actually fold some of his baby flushes):

AcKc, AcQc, AcJc, QcJc, AcTc, QcTc, JcTc, Ac9c, Qc9c, Jc9c, Tc9c, Ac8c, Qc8c, Jc8c, Tc8c, 9c8c, Ac7c, Qc7c, Jc7c, Tc7c, 9c7c, Ac6c, Qc6c, Jc6c, Tc6c, 9c6c, Ac5c, Qc5c, Jc5c, Tc5c, 9c5c, 8c5c, Ac3c, Qc3c, Jc3c, Ac2c, Qc2c, Jc2c

So the range that you can value shove river is the range that has more than 50% equity versus this range, which is: AcKc, AcQc, AcJc, Ac8c, Kc8c, Ac7c, Kc7c, Ac6c, Kc6c, Ac5c, Kc5c, Ac4c, Kc4c, Ac3c, Kc3c (of course you don't have AcKc AcQc).

This might not be 100% accurate and might be screwing up this ranges but I think this is fairly close and we find out that we cannot shove profitably a hand like Qxs. It's relevant to say that shoving Qc4c is much better than shoving QcJc (since we don't block villains calling range that we win) QcJc has only 14% equity whereas Qc4c has 46%!

Originally posted by 24magus24

What's the best with sets?

Raise flop most likely. If we call flop and turn brings a flush we cannot raise anymore, just call down.


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