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TT c/c turn 3be

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GingerKid
Joined: 05.08.2007

partypoker - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 190 BB (VPIP: 16.90, PFR: 12.68, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 75)
Hero (SB): 138.16 BB
BB: 30 BB (VPIP: 44.19, PFR: 28.68, 3Bet Preflop: 13.21, Hands: 133)
UTG: 102 BB (VPIP: 23.87, PFR: 19.81, 3Bet Preflop: 9.14, Hands: 4,026)
MP: 339.5 BB (VPIP: 19.89, PFR: 16.44, 3Bet Preflop: 5.01, Hands: 969)
CO: 104.64 BB (VPIP: 25.09, PFR: 17.82, 3Bet Preflop: 7.17, Hands: 879)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T♥ T♠

fold, fold, CO raises to 2 BB, fold, Hero raises to 8 BB, fold, CO calls 6 BB

Flop: (17 BB, 2 players) 8♠ 9♣ 7♣
Hero bets 10 BB, CO calls 10 BB

Turn: (37 BB, 2 players) 5♥
Hero checks, CO bets 23.44 BB, Hero calls 23.44 BB

River: (83.88 BB, 2 players) Q♣
Hero checks, CO bets 54 BB, fold

Spoiler

CO wins 133.7 BB

I am not sure if there is value in 3bet TT vs any position? SOmehow there is almost no board where we can 3 barrel it for value, and most of the time it is 2nd pair by the river, making it bluff catcher. I know that preflop it has edge.


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double2
Joined: 04.11.2008

Hi,

pre flop and flop look good.

It's a mistake to x/c turn. You should be x/shoving for sure. Villain has QJ, KJ, AJ, FDs... All hands that you'd love to check/shove against. x/c doesn't work so well for you because even though you have pair+open ended your hand still don't play river that well.


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GingerKid
Joined: 05.08.2007

Agree. I would usually c shove QQ+ as I would at least see some pairs worse. but here I was unsure because I thought, I have better hand most of the time, but if I shove I will get called only by better hands. Do you expect him to call turn shove with hands you mentioned? Anyway, TT check shove should be more like semibluff which doesnt need to work often, probably around 30% is enough?


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double2
Joined: 04.11.2008

Originally posted by GingerKid
Agree. I would usually c shove QQ+ as I would at least see some pairs worse. but here I was unsure because I thought, I have better hand most of the time, but if I shove I will get called only by better hands. Do you expect him to call turn shove with hands you mentioned? Anyway, TT check shove should be more like semibluff which doesnt need to work often, probably around 30% is enough?

I don't know if villains is calling or folding soe of those draws, the better ones he is probably calling, like nutFD, combo draws, etc.

But I think his range has few made hands better than yours, JJ and that's it probably, maybe once in a while a slowplayed set or JT, but not enough to make me worry about x/shove, and we have 8 outs to improve which is very significant.

And yes, since his range is mostly those floats it's very okay for to check/shove, even if we don't get called by worse.


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