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neotesani
Joined: 18.07.2010

With what range zou should do it, this question is confusing to me

Poker Stars, $0.45 Buy-in (800/1,600 blinds, 150 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
Poker Tools by CardRunners - Hand Details

BTN: 23,932 (15 bb)
Hero (SB): 15,773 (9.9 bb)
BB: 3,545 (2.2 bb)
MP1: 11,659 (7.3 bb)
MP2: 39,226 (24.5 bb)
MP3: 7,789 (4.9 bb)
CO: 18,630 (11.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8 J
5 folds, Hero raises to 15,623 and is all-in, BB calls 1,795 and is all-in

Flop: (7,840) A 2 A (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: (7,840) 6 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: (7,840) 5 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Is this push if its folded to me?

Poker Stars, $0.45 Buy-in (500/1,000 blinds, 100 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools by CardRunners - Hand Details

MP3: 34,895 (34.9 bb)
CO: 9,207 (9.2 bb)
BTN: 6,197 (6.2 bb)
Hero (SB): 28,416 (28.4 bb)
BB: 3,575 (3.6 bb)
UTG+2: 5,441 (5.4 bb)
MP1: 13,071 (13.1 bb)
MP2: 20,020 (20 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 2 T
5 folds, BTN raises to 6,097 and is all-in, Hero folds, BB calls 2,475 and is all-in

Flop: (8,250) 6 A 9 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: (8,250) 4 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: (8,250) 7 (2 players, 2 are all-in)


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StartlingGrope
Joined: 08.06.2014

In the first hand you're probably looking at any two cards before the antes even come into consideration. With the antes it's a definite push as you have great pot odds. More significantly though, you're still in reasonable shape if you lose.

In the second hand I think you should wait for a better spot. Shoving T2 from the button could be okay against a tight mid stack but a short stack like that one will be calling with a lot of hands and you're unlikely to be ahead of many of them. You're also screwed if you lose. I'd personally hope for a better holding before the blinds hit or make a play against the 13k or 20k stacks as they're not going to be in a hurry to gamble and you'll seriously damage them if you win your hand. You need a double up somewhere but if you can take the blinds down on this orbit then it gives you breathing space to let the blinds pass you again when they reach you.


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The first hand is a definite push imo. The payout structure plays an important part in the assessment though, and I can't that anywhere. The second hand is a definite fold. Can't call a BTN shove for 6BB with T2o. I think you played right in both spots.

I think Startling Grope understood it incorrectly because of the bold font of the BTN and mistook it for Hero.


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StartlingGrope
Joined: 08.06.2014

Originally posted by BArGaInChem

I think Startling Grope understood it incorrectly because of the bold font of the BTN and mistook it for Hero.

Ah, well spotted. I've clearly read that hand based on the bold text. My apologies to the OP.


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