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monkeytilted table, range of stackoff preflop ?

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OsCardozo
Joined: 29.05.2011

Spot that doesn't happen that often, but happen sometimes and don't know how to put the curse gambling/aggroing etc...

iPoker - €2 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): €189.00
BTN: €339.29 (VPIP: 54.34, PFR: 23.47, 3Bet Preflop: 7.31, Hands: 630)
SB: €589.10 (VPIP: 32.71, PFR: 14.80, 3Bet Preflop: 5.89, Hands: 2,332)

SB posts SB €1.00, Hero posts BB €2.00

Pre Flop: (pot: €3.00) Hero has J♠ K♦ A♦ J♦

BTN raises to €7.00, SB raises to €16.00, Hero calls €14.00, BTN raises to €64.00, SB calls €48.00, fold

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Flop: (€144.00, 2 players) J♥ 3♠ 5♥
SB checks, BTN bets €144.00, fold

BTN wins €141.50

Just sit the table ~10 hands ago.

SB is a good reg

BTN is usually a fish, but here he's tilting really hard.
raise everything preflop, try to put allin preflop 100% as fast he can do, pot/pot/pot postflop etc...

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iPoker - €2 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): €197.00
SB: €528.49 (VPIP: 54.05, PFR: 22.98, 3Bet Preflop: 7.31, Hands: 626)
BB: €215.00 (VPIP: 32.63, PFR: 14.79, 3Bet Preflop: 5.80, Hands: 2,328)
CO: €183.00 (VPIP: 60.06, PFR: 1.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.32, Hands: 1,320)

SB posts SB €1.00, BB posts BB €2.00

Pre Flop: (pot: €3.00) Hero has 3♠ 3♣ J♥ A♦

CO calls €2.00, fold, SB raises to €8.00, BB raises to €24.00, CO calls €22.00, SB raises to €96.00, BB calls €72.00, CO calls €72.00

Flop: (€288.00, 3 players) T♥ 6♣ K♣
SB bets €288.00, BB calls €119.00, CO calls €87.00

Turn: (€613.00, 3 players) 7♠

River: (€613.00, 3 players) 4♣

SB shows Q♥ 7♥ 5♠ Q♣ (One Pair, Queens) (Pre 20%, Flop 7%, Turn 0%)
BB shows 9♦ 5♥ 8♦ 9♥ (Straight, Ten High) (Pre 25%, Flop 10%, Turn 64%)
CO shows K♠ 9♠ Q♠ K♦ (Three of a Kind, Kings) (Pre 55%, Flop 83%, Turn 36%)
SB wins €0.00
BB wins €610.50

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iPoker - €2 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: €1,113.06 (VPIP: 42.10, PFR: 19.35, 3Bet Preflop: 5.19, Hands: 4,711)
Hero (SB): €195.00
BB: €314.24 (VPIP: 53.83, PFR: 22.51, 3Bet Preflop: 6.59, Hands: 621)
UTG: €200.00 (VPIP: 32.49, PFR: 14.69, 3Bet Preflop: 5.81, Hands: 2,323)
CO: €183.00 (VPIP: 60.06, PFR: 1.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.32, Hands: 1,315)

Hero posts SB €1.00, BB posts BB €2.00

Pre Flop: (pot: €3.00) Hero has A♠ 2♥ 2♦ 4♦

UTG raises to €7.00, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to €22.00, UTG calls €15.00

Flop: (€45.00, 2 players) 7♠ 3♥ 8♥
BB bets €45.00, UTG raises to €166.00, BB raises to €292.24 and is all-in, UTG calls €12.00

Turn: (€401.00, 2 players) 9♠

River: (€401.00, 2 players) 6♦

BB shows J♥ J♠ 4♥ T♦ (Straight, Jack High) (Pre 66%, Flop 70%, Turn 78%)
UTG shows 2♠ 9♥ T♠ 6♥ (Straight, Ten High) (Pre 34%, Flop 30%, Turn 23%)
BB wins €398.50

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iPoker - €2 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): €199.00
BTN: €526.54 (VPIP: 54.56, PFR: 23.84, 3Bet Preflop: 7.31, Hands: 633)
SB: €414.10 (VPIP: 32.80, PFR: 14.83, 3Bet Preflop: 5.98, Hands: 2,335)

SB posts SB €1.00, Hero posts BB €2.00

Pre Flop: (pot: €3.00) Hero has A♥ 3♦ A♦ T♦

BTN raises to €7.00, SB calls €6.00, Hero raises to €28.00, BTN raises to €91.00, fold, Hero raises to €199.00 and is all-in, BTN calls €108.00

Flop: (€405.00, 2 players) 2♦ 6♦ 6♠

Turn: (€405.00, 2 players) Q♥

River: (€405.00, 2 players) 2♠

Hero mucks A♥ 3♦ A♦ T♦ (Two Pair, Aces and Sixes) (Pre 57%, Flop 30%, Turn 20%) :evil:
BTN shows 6♥ K♣ 9♣ 3♥ (Three of a Kind, Sixes) (Pre 43%, Flop 70%, Turn 80%)
BTN wins €402.50

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Preflop

don't understand the min3bet of SB.

Maybe he want to play a big flop / low SPR with hand that flop well and make BTN commiting himself on lot of flops... don't know.

Knowing that BTN is going to 4bet 100%, maybe should I just give up my hand if I dont want to play big with it.

well when I call, BTN raises and SB calls...

BTN 4bet range is like ~95%
SB hasn't got AAxx/KKxx here, whose obv would be shoved preflop.

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a JJxx that is very often ahead preflop I think (not many AAxx/KKxx, since SB never has it when he just call, BTN can have everything here, and moreover I have A/K blocker)
If unfortunately there's a QQxx here, I still have AKxx (2 overcards top kicked) and so a good equity against it (even against AQQx or KQQx)

so my JJxx isn't bad here, I have AKxx that would be good with TPTK when I hit, and some high connection AKJx.

I really tanked and fold, and wanted to die when I saw that flop

In this particular spot, now, I'm thinking I had a decent hand to stack off preflop. double suited i put in it for sure
Here I didn't have the balls to go in but I think the opportunity is ~ok

what would be your range of stackoff here in those special situations ?
Kind of hand you would broke ?
bottom range ?


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Padelbro
Joined: 21.01.2010

What's your reasoning folding instead of calling here? You're closing the action and it would be 3-way, you've 4 big connecting cards, big pair and nutsuit.


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OsCardozo
Joined: 29.05.2011

no i think we can't call here.

This hand as a +/- good raw equity preflop, but not enough playability.

not at all the kind of hand I would put 1/3 of my stack to play flop with SPR < 1

if it's to broke since I see a K or a A on the flop, I should broke directly preflop because my JJxx would be often good


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Skodljivec
Joined: 17.12.2011

Hi,

with these dynamics you should never fold here preflop imo. The min3b is prob not AA and KK. If button always 4bets like you said there is no reason for you not to ship this in preflop.

Regards,

Skod


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