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MrTrocks
Joined: 25.03.2006

PokerStars - $1 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 29.63, PFR: 24.07, 3Bet Preflop: 11.90, Hands: 111)
BB: 105.7 BB (VPIP: 26.21, PFR: 17.04, 3Bet Preflop: 5.74, Hands: 2,302)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 24.47, PFR: 19.89, 3Bet Preflop: 8.25, Hands: 534)
MP: 225.95 BB (VPIP: 29.97, PFR: 17.05, 3Bet Preflop: 2.40, Hands: 718)
Hero (CO): 100 BB
BTN: 83.99 BB (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 6.25, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 16)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7♥ 7♣ 4♠ 4♣

UTG raises to 3.5 BB, fold, Hero calls 3.5 BB, BTN calls 3.5 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (12 BB, 3 players) A♠ 4♥ 9♣
UTG checks, Hero bets 9 BB, fold, UTG calls 9 BB

Turn: (30 BB, 2 players) 6♣
UTG checks, Hero bets 21 BB, UTG raises to 87.5 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 66.5 BB and is all-in

River: (205 BB, 2 players) Q♥

pre a fold? villan opens 22 from utg
cb 60%
turn af 2,36 craise no hands wtsd 26 wsd 35

any thought about the turn?


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OsCardozo
Joined: 29.05.2011

call or 3bet pre, never fold imo

turn, without the FD and with some supersolid reads, you could eventually find a supertight fold vs some players (and I'm even not sure it wouldn't be horrible).

here is a turbocall

edit : with this pot size turn and <30% equity needed, i think we never can fold a set here


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Skodljivec
Joined: 17.12.2011

Hi,

yeah can't fold pre under no circumstance. No thoughts on any point in the hand.

Regards,

Skod


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ETBrooD
Joined: 16.09.2009

Wait, I don't get it. Why do we have to defend this hand? It's just two low PP's, what good are they?


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Skodljivec
Joined: 17.12.2011

Originally posted by ETBrooD
Wait, I don't get it. Why do we have to defend this hand? It's just two low PP's, what good are they?

What do you mean? I don't get it. They aren't the best hand in plo, but they play fine in most scenarios.

Regards,

Skod


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ETBrooD
Joined: 16.09.2009

We're not defending hands like 9976ss, what makes 7744ss a good enough hand?


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OsCardozo
Joined: 29.05.2011

hands like double pocket have ~20% probability to flop a set (~25% in the entire board).

And (with position here), we can use those pps as bluff-blockers on some straighty board

More over, in this hand especially, we got a little connexion and one suited (not big, not going to overplay it, but it's still valuable)


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ETBrooD
Joined: 16.09.2009

I get that we hit frequently enough, but I'm wondering why this particular dual PP is good enough to play a big pot with from the CO.
I do recommend 3-betting hands similar to 7744 from the BTN. We have absolute position and there's 1 less player to act behind us. The CO though isn't really our fun position against an EP open.


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Krach-Bumm-Ente
Joined: 01.05.2006

I think it can't be a fold pre but with this particular button (75 vpip) etbrood actually has a point. I wouldn't go as far as to say it's a fold therefore, I'd just flat.


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